Chemtrails

Do i think scientists are doing testing with some of the theories on this stuff out there? sure... why not? Im far more interested in dark matter though....

Do i think that the trails you see when a plane is at 25-30K feet are "Chem trails"? Nope!!! LOL

The amount of supporting data in these replies is overwhelming! I think it will take me a few days to read through so many documents. Maybe I'll just agree to believe that the government would never do anything that wasn't in the public's best interest, so I too can feel safe and get a good night's sleep. I just need to call my local Hair Cuttery to make sure they are able to shear wool. You guys crack me up. If you are convinced that chem trails are a bogus conspiracy theory, and you can't find anything relevant to add, and even the mention of something as ridiculous as chem trails makes you mad, maybe you could just avoid clicking on the threads called "CHEMTRAILS"? But I'd still like to see a rebuttal to the articles I posted. I've done some searching, but I can't find anything, either, other than the denial of their existence altogether, which the articles clearly say is false.

LOL, You can keep up with the antagonizing Wallace, however, the link I posted to does not say "CHEM" trails exist, rather quite the opposite. That they are simply condensation and perhaps exhaust, and I 100% agree with the article, and numerous other dubunkings of the CHEMtrail conspiracy theories.

Even on that link, he has links to many other sites debunking the myth, but as I forsaw, you "read" them, but don't believe them. Proved my point didn't I? :rolleyes:

I have yet to see hard proof they do exist! Most have been debunked or are pure speculation...

On the same note, you keep mentioning that weather control is proof that chemtrails exist.

That is not at all true. Your "chemtrails" are purposely released all over the globe for some population control or other adverse effect on mankind.

It's true countries have tried weather control. China just attempted to stop rain during the Olympics. This is not debated, but it is not and should not be confused with the latter and more paranoid theory that it is actually chemicals being sprayed on humans to control them or whatever weird theory is out there.


So no, I will never admit that "CHEMtrails" exist as you define them. Weather manipulation? I'm sure there are vain enough men out there trying it (Hey, maybe China actually made it work?), but let's leave it at that.

Why don't you google or search for "Chemtrail debunkers" and make up your own mind. Why poke and prod us, who don't really care what you think about this, into persuading you that they don't. Only you can make up your mind, and it obviously has already been made.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

I have yet to see hard proof they do exist! Most have been debunked or are pure speculation...

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Army Aerial Spraying Tests Panic,
Anger Florida Keys Residents
By Jennifer Babson
Miami Herald Miami.com
4-22-2

BOCA CHICA KEY - They worry about allergies and immune system difficulties and ailments yet to be diagnosed.

A few bolted for points north; others shuttered windows and stayed inside.

Word that the U.S. Army was conducting biological and chemical detection tests off Key West last week -- using a crop duster to spray what it says are benign substances over a small swath of the Gulf -- set alarm bells ringing for some on this island chain.

''Monday I had my house closed up all day and the air conditioner running because I was concerned and I couldn't find out what was going on. The newspaper didn't say exactly where they were dropping,'' said Bill Eardley, a retiree who lives on Sugarloaf Key. "If I had known in advance, and I was concerned, I would have jumped in a car or plane and gotten out of here.''

Using a small plane to release egg white powder, clay dust, ethanol, irradiated vegetable spores and a chemical compound commonly found in drugstore cosmetics -- all designed to simulate more ominous compounds -- Army and Environmental Protection Agency researchers were trying to determine whether civilian Doppler and drug interdiction radars can tell the difference between a raincloud carrying moisture and a cloud carrying something more ominous.

The experiments -- concluded last week -- were deemed a success, though the Army still says it needs to conduct an additional $15 million to $20 million worth of testing in the U.S.

Researchers are hoping software could be attached to civilian radars like those used by the National Weather Service to alert military and civilian authorities to unusual chemical or biological events or attacks.

But some locals greeted the tests themselves as a kind of preliminary attack.

''The weirdest thing I heard from a couple of people was that spores can travel 1,300 miles. They said that there was a spore release in Texas that arrived in Florida,'' said Mickey Morales, an Army spokesman who was on hand for the drill. ``Some people have told me they have left the area or they have recommended to people that they leave the area.''

It probably didn't help matters locally that the Pentagon went public with details of the tests less than a week before they began.

AN EXPOSE

A few days earlier, a free Key West newspaper carried a front-page exposé on suspicious, Keys-photographed contrails that sources -- including an unnamed wife of a Navy service member -- insisted were actually ''chemtrails'' that could be the results of secret military experiments.

Some worried residents contacted the Army, the media, municipal officials, the EPA and U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson with their concerns -- prompting Nelson's Washington office to inquire about the nature of the tests, Morales said.

Last week, it was Morales' job to make the words ''military experiment'' seem palatable.

It was a challenge in some quarters.

''A lot of people have claimed they have read X, Y, and Z on the Internet,'' Morales said. ``Somebody called me on his cell phone and wanted to know if it was OK to go boating.''

Liz Holloway's neighbor on Sugarloaf Key ''evacuated'' to a place north of the Everglades when she heard the tests were imminent.

''She has chronic fatigue syndrome and thought it might exacerbate her condition,'' Holloway said. ``Am I worried I am going to get sick 15 years >from now? Maybe. But who knows?''

LITTLE NOTICE

Holloway said she would have liked more advanced notice.

''My major problem was that I read the stuff in the newspaper and I called the agencies that were supposed to be responsible for the activity, and even their public information officers had no clue what was going on,'' she said. ``I don't begrudge them that they have to do this kind of thing, but at least give us a choice to not be here.''

Some in the Pentagon considered forgoing the public information campaign altogether, said Col. Stephen V. Reeves, program executive officer for the Chemical and Biological Defense program. Reeves was in the Keys Thursday to monitor testing.

'I received [a recommendation] from counsel, `Maybe we should just go ahead,' '' Reeves said. ``I decided not to do that. If we had been quiet about it and somebody had suddenly discovered it, it would have confirmed everybody's worst suspicions.''

The decision on how to publicize the tests apparently went all the way up the chain of command to Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld's office.

And so, last week, a steady parade of Keys residents was escorted to a blue tent pitched next to a government RV across U.S. 1 from the entrance to the Boca Chica Naval Air Field.

In an effort to allay local fears, Morales made a run to a local grocery, picking up an angelfood cake, Visine eyedrops and a mud mask of the kind used to combat acne -- all of which he said contained test ingredients.

''You can go to the supermarket and buy this stuff basically, except for the dead spores,'' he explained.

NOT SATISFIED

The explanation didn't entirely satisfy Debora Edholm, the wife of local Navy employee who says she has seen and photographed hundreds of ''chemtrails'' of dubious origin.

Thursday afternoon, Edholm and a friend were escorted down a winding and wooded path, past a fence that's usually chained and beyond the sharp cries of a mother hawk to the blue tent where researchers were communicating by radio with pilots and radar operators involved in the testing.

Next to radio consoles, maps and computer equipment were jars containing examples of the compounds the Army dispersed in the tests.

''I have done a lot of research on what vitamin supplements to take to combat the chemtrails. I get exhausted,'' Edholm explained. ``A lot of people down here are sick, you know. A lot of people think they are doing this to take out weak people. It's population control.''

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On the same note, you keep mentioning that weather control is proof that chemtrails exist.

That is not at all true. Your "chemtrails" are purposely released all over the globe for some population control or other adverse effect on mankind.

I didn't say anything like that. I said I had no idea what all had been released, nor did I ever speculate at the reasons for it.

It's true countries have tried weather control. China just attempted to stop rain during the Olympics. This is not debated, but it is not and should not be confused with the latter and more paranoid theory that it is actually chemicals being sprayed on humans to control them or whatever weird theory is out there.

Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about what was in the trails or what the purposes were. I only posted articles that claimed that the government admittedly used planes to release aerosol trails in the atmosphere, and also that they have tested biological and chemical agents on some of the U.S. population without prior knowledge.

So no, I will never admit that "CHEMtrails" exist as you define them. Weather manipulation? I'm sure there are vain enough men out there trying it (Hey, maybe China actually made it work?), but let's leave it at that.

I think we have different definitions in our heads for what a chem trail is. I'm thinking of any chemical or aerosol sprayed from a plane into the atmosphere. The agents they admit to using for weather manipulation are barium and aluminum, with possible plans to use up to 7% of the annual find of sulfur to possibly stop global warming. These are hardly inert or benign chemicals, and undoubtedly fall to earth, over U.S. cities.

Why don't you google or search for "Chemtrail debunkers" and make up your own mind. Why poke and prod us, who don't really care what you think about this, into persuading you that they don't. Only you can make up your mind, and it obviously has already been made.

My mind has been made up, as far as the things I just said. I never claimed anything about mind control conspiracies. I have read plenty of articles debunking chem trails, but I've yet to find any official government denial, or any claims of libel against any chem trail accusations. The closest I've come to finding anything like that were previously classified projects that are now public, laws that give the government authority to test bio and chemical agents on unsuspecting Americans, etc. I thought that since you guys are so satisfied with your position, that you might have some info that I haven't found yet. If you do, please post it FTW. I have yet to see anything resembling proof that they don't exist :)

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Nasa is a part of the governement. Is their explanation not good enough?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Nasa is a part of the governement. Is their explanation not good enough?

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NASA says that they are contrails, and that contrails are just water vapor, or clouds. Then they show IR pictures of the water vapor and clouds over the U.S. Then they show "enhanced" IR images of the same space which show some weak clouds and very highly visible contrails that trump all the other water vapor in the atmosphere. I couldn't find an explanation for why the contrails were so pronounced in the enhanced IR images, when they are supposedly the exact same thing as the rest of the clouds. So I'm back at square one. There might be a good explanation, but I didn't see one.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/...04/04-140.html

Those probably are contrails, at least for the most part. But that doesn't prove they don't exist, or that they aren't being used to a smaller extent.

anyone done tests with IR images to see what plane exhaust looks like?

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Nasa is a part of the governement. Is their explanation not good enough?

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If I'm correct NASA is not part of the United States Government?

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Originally Posted by mooingtricycle

anyone done tests with IR images to see what plane exhaust looks like?

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The Chemtrails are different from a planes exhaust as is a crop duster.

YouTube - ChemTrail Plane in detail

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Originally Posted by Serpents_Den

If I'm correct NASA is not part of the United States Government?

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You sure?

"
National Aeronautics and Space Administration: an independent agency of the United States government responsible for aviation and spaceflight"

www.Nasa.Gov

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What Is NASA?
NASA stands for National Aeronautics and Space Administration. NASA was started in 1958 as a part of the United States government. NASA is in charge of U.S. science and technology that has to do with airplanes or space.
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