WC Gravids?

I'm not against the importation of visually different animals. But the importation of normals is useless.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Gotta love a guy with flexible standards.

As long as you benefit, it's ok.

Sigh...

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I don't disagree with importing, I disagree with importing gravids. I don't see the need to do mass importing of normals because as far as I can tell we pretty much got that ourselves. However importing gravid ANYTHING, I think that's screwed up.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I don't disagree with importing, I disagree with importing gravids. I don't see the need to do mass importing of normals because as far as I can tell we pretty much got that ourselves. However importing gravid ANYTHING, I think that's screwed up.

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UNLESS that gravid is something you want.

Here's reality. There IS a market for them whether or not you buy them. Why not strive to have them properly treated instead of not imported at all? Why not put YOUR ego aside, why not put YOUR feelings aside, why not put YOUR agenda aside, and be on the side of these girls who ARE going to be here whether you will it so or not.

I do understand your stand, both sides of it. I just think it's sort of silly to think it will stop just because it should.

We should all be in vehicles which do not poison the air we breathe, but where's the profit in that? It's far cheaper and more profitable to stay the norm and buy carbon credits instead of actually doing the right thing.

One at a time can make a difference on a small scale that may in time make a signifigant difference but in the mean time why not realize it will happen, shift gears, and try to make a positive difference in the lives of these reptiles we all care about so much?

Why condemn everyone? Why the hate?

As my esteemed colleague Master Shrap has said, some of the guys importing take dang fine care of the girls once they arrive. Do they deserve no credit for being the good keepers they are solely because they market animals? Or is it solely because they market ball pythons, which are near and dear to many here?

It won't stop. So what now?

Why import them to begin with? You're taking not only a WC animal which are TERRIBLE to begin with but a gravid one. That's easily ten times the stress of being a normal non-gravid animal. I don't think it's terrible, I don't think it's ethical. I'll do my part by not buying these animals and discouraging others from buying them.

Do you have any personal experience with these wild caught gravids?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Why condemn everyone? Why the hate?

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That is what I cant understand, why the hatred? I can understand the anger if people are selling crap animals, but if they selling nice healthy accurately represented animals... what is the problem? I thought the more people selling healthy accurately represented animals the better.

I aint saying you have to buy from them, I typically dont, but I certainly have no problem with anyone making an honest living selling healthy accurately represented animals.

I know the Ed Clarks of the world give every reseller a bad name, but every re-seller deserves to be judged on their own merits and not stigmatized because of the bad deeds of others. Hell, every human being deserves that.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Do you have any personal experience with these wild caught gravids?

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I personally don't but I have with worked with many wild caught and frankly I can't imagine a WC Gravid being any different.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I personally don't but I have with worked with many wild caught and frankly I can't imagine a WC Gravid being any different.

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They just have nicer dispositions.....

Can everyone agree on at least one thing.
Agree to disagree!
Be happy that we all have homes, and can offer our homes to these wonderful reptiles. We are all here because one day we wandered around the internet looking for a place where other people loved the reptiles that we do. How our animals came to us is not the big picture, it is loving that new snake smell, the excitement of the first snake you brought home, you didn't care where it came from, you just cared that you had this amazing animal to share your life with.

Now would it be so different if I where to go to a place I know that has tons of bull snakes and catch them to sell, or maby go to the nesting areas during that time of year and collect eggs? I could "save" so many from the locals who all they see is a snake that will hurt them/livestock.

The suply must not fit the demand, I have been trying to buy another bp from my local stores, but since I got my first one, I have not seen any more in the stores. Going price for a normal around here is $69. Sell your snakes out here if you want to make more than $20.

If you don't like WC don't buy them. If you do like WC buy them. Just take good care of them. Just don't keep fighting about who is right and who is wrong, in that battle there is no winner.

You are all such wonderful people in your own ways, if we where all the same , how boring would it be?

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Originally Posted by AaronP

I personally don't but I have with worked with many wild caught and frankly I can't imagine a WC Gravid being any different.

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I have no experience with snowboarding but boy does my imagination have some ideas.

Your opinion is suspect at best, laughable at least, and pathetic in general. You don't know squat from personal experience but are ready to condemn those who do.

Are you, by chance, a graduate of rutgers?