The wildest Ball Python story EVER!!!

Here's some food for thought in an attempt to actually add to the topic unlike my other post:

Ball pythons or any snake really will attempt to escape, what else do they have to do all day?

When enclosures are not *properly* secured or if the enclosures are not of good quality that have proper locking mechanisms...they WILL get out.

Ball's require heat...the first place they go when they escape is towards another heat source. Its more than likely that its not that your ball WANTS to be with the white lip...but that it wants to be near the HEAT. If that enclosure is also not secured properly the escaped snake may enter on the NECESITY of heat, NOT thinking "oh there's my white lip buddy!"

You wanted to know what's best for your animals and you've got it. If your "friend" truly has 30yrs experience and comes here he had better have something to back up the claims because there are people here with less than a year's experience with the common sense to know that housing multiple snakes together is a disaster.

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Originally Posted by TekWarren

You wanted to know what's best for your animals and you've got it. If your "friend" truly has 30yrs experience and comes here he had better have something to back up the claims because there are people here with less than a year's experience with the common sense to know that housing multiple snakes together is a disaster.

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Go back a page... my friend already posted...

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Originally Posted by TekWarren

Here's some food for thought in an attempt to actually add to the topic unlike my other post:

Ball pythons or any snake really will attempt to escape, what else do they have to do all day?

When enclosures are not *properly* secured or if the enclosures are not of good quality that have proper locking mechanisms...they WILL get out.

Ball's require heat...the first place they go when they escape is towards another heat source. Its more than likely that its not that your ball WANTS to be with the white lip...but that it wants to be near the HEAT. If that enclosure is also not secured properly the escaped snake may enter on the NECESITY of heat, NOT thinking "oh there's my white lip buddy!"

You wanted to know what's best for your animals and you've got it. If your "friend" truly has 30yrs experience and comes here he had better have something to back up the claims because there are people here with less than a year's experience with the common sense to know that housing multiple snakes together is a disaster.

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Very well said Heath!

I'm sorry Dan that you feel attacked. That I'm sure is no one's intent here. We are all, however, very aware that newcomers to herp keeping come here regularily and need to be informed of what is considered to be general rules of safe keeping of snakes. Sometimes that passion to educate can go overboard.

However, I will continue to stand by my post and cannot accept your response that plexi-glass was a happy accident. A lot of things are invented by necessity or accident. These are inanimate, non-living examples and have no bearing on this situation.

My moral stance when it comes to living creatures is that they deserve better decisions from a human keeper. We are in complete control of their existance as caged creatures after all. We choose when and if they can reproduce and for me anyways, that carries a weight of responsiblity. Whether it's our snakes or in fact, our breeder/feeder rat colony I will not allow myself "accidents". Breeding living creatures should always involves a lot of thought and planning, both for the breeders involved and all subsequent offspring.

[QUOTE=DanRC30] So, as full of yourselves as you are, you all don't know EVERYTHING. QUOTE]

No one said they know everything.


I like this one too, Joe....:8:

EDITED BY JLC -- You go too far, Justin.

Wow it is way too hard to ignore this...

Housing multiple snakes together is unneccesary stress. You're friend with "30 years experience" seems to not know what he's talking about. Why would you let them be together when YOU KNOW snakes are solitary animals and don't need companionship. (if you really have been keeping snakes for that long)

Snakes don't cuddle. PERIOD.

LOL at justin ...

Ok, my advice to everyone is to stop feeding this thread and let bygons be bygons.

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Originally Posted by bpkid

Wow it is way too hard to ignore this...

Housing multiple snakes together is unneccesary stress. You're friend with "30 years experience" seems to not know what he's talking about. Why would you let them be together when YOU KNOW snakes are solitary animals and don't need companionship. (if you really have been keeping snakes for that long)

Snakes don't cuddle. PERIOD.

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How can you be so presumptious? Have you conducted studies and interviewed snakes? What were the results?

I absolutely disagree with this 100%. I think some snakes do in fact like company. If you don't well, that's you opinion and you're entitled to it. Just remember, everyone thought the earth was flat until Columbus proved them wrong. There is no way to really determine if they don't like company unless you ask them... and if you name isn't Harry Potter, then you're not qualified.

Here's my final comment as I feel I'm beginnning to repeat myself here... The reason for this post was to tell an unusual story of a snake escaping and breaking into another cage by opening a sliding glass door. That's it. I told my story, and I'm done. I never asked anyone for their opinion on leaving them together, and I don't feel I need to justify my actions to anyone on this board. My snakes are fine, and are probably among the best cared for animals in the world. I have nice cages, heat panels, and Helix Thermostats. My animals and happy, and healthy.

'Nuff said.

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Ok, my advice to everyone is to stop feeding this thread and let bygons be bygons.

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I agree.

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-Andre

hi dan,

i'm really sorry your thread has turned out as it did. may i give my brief explanation though? well, since i have you as a captive audience... i think i will LOL :P

as any forum on the internet... people are anonymous. it makes it hard sometimes because people who are referred to as 'trolls' come on... say something outrageous and... unfortunately the members (myself included) don't just leave the thread alone... we feel the need to say something. (hey, some members spend hours a day on the forum... they need something to "get into")

so it begins. and most times... it takes forever for these threads to die because many of the people (some who don't know a lot about the subject), just have to get in there post their opinion.

ah yes, it's all part of forum life.

but, what i really want to discuss with you... is that few people here or on other forums i've visited, will accept that animals are intelligent, possibly social beings. i do. if you clicked on my links you'd see i publish a magazine with a regular columnist, Dawn Brunke - an animal communicator. but any time i've attempted to say, "well perhaps this animal like "insert action here" it's gotten shot down. same thing happens on the tarantula forum i used to visit... except there i also got made fun of :( got so bad i stopped going there. many don't believe that animals carry any human traits (which is funny cause i say... what makes them a human trait and not a "insert animal here" trait that we are also sharing?)

not everyone is interested in hearing that man isn't the top of the totem pole... and because of the restrictions on this site regarding religion and spirituality (the threads get shut down as this is a snake forum not a religious one) (and i agree with them about this... cause there are some people who are pretty radical in their beliefs and i don't wanna hear/read em here) so we don't really get to talk about this topic - can snakes be social animals with a need for companionship - whether that is with a human or another snake (or in some cases... any other animal like a hamster for example).

so... i've learned to talk about it in my magazine... and on forums where i have like-minded people... but not here.

i really hope you stay here... cause we can use more great posting members. the way you handled yourself in that thread was AMAZING! so articulate and well presented without flaming... after all, it's our members who make this place great and i think you'd be a great addition!

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Originally Posted by DanRC30

EDITED BY JLC -- You go too far, Justin.

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Thats how I roll.....Sorry.;) :P

In the end it's the owner's responsiblity, I agree. However, I still have my own opinion and my opinion (that many people share) is that housing together is taking a completly unneccesary risk. Good luck and I hope nothing bad happens.