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Originally Posted by xdeus

Also keep in mind that the bad events get the most coverage. For every person that has been scammed, there are probably hundreds (or more) that have not. People don't usually report on the successful transactions, but they'll shout from the rooftops when their deal has gone south (and rightfully so).

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Sure but when you are talking about hets possibly not being hets anymore (accusations, not facts yet) then it jumps from dozens to hundred+ fairly quickly?

Amen Adam .....

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Guys like Chris don't make it any harder for the small breeder than it normally is.
-adam

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Well actualy he made it harder for me. Back when I bought the het pair from him in January even the higher priced het albino pairs that I didnt buy were around $800. Now four months later I can barely afford the het albinos pairs now because they are so expensive. If anybody could give me a PM or e-mail about yourself having some het albinos or another good guy please do.

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Originally Posted by Cubby23

Well actualy he made it harder for me.

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I was talking about breeders that are actually selling snakes. I understand that Chris certainly made things harder for all of the people that either didn't get what they paid for or paid and didn't get anything at all.

-adam

The TSE situation is crazy!

How is the heck could he do something like this and it seems to have happened overnight, but apparently it was in the making for a while. I guess in the past no one spoke out about their negative experience with TSE seeing TSE's rep, TSE's attitude and TSE supporters.

It all seemed to come crashing down when 2-3-5-10-20 people came out in a short period of time with monies paid, but no snakes for 2-3-4 months! Now people are coming out that also received sick snakes from TSE 3-6 months back claiming their bad dealings!

I too considered buying a number of Hets from TSE a while back...GLAD I DIDN'T!

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Originally Posted by ssscales

The TSE situation is crazy!

How is the heck could he do something like this and it seems to have happened overnight, but apparently it was in the making for a while. I guess in the past no one spoke out about their negative experience with TSE seeing TSE's rep, TSE's attitude and TSE supporters.

It all seemed to come crashing down when 2-3-5-10-20 people came out in a short period of time with monies paid, but no snakes for 2-3-4 months! Now people are coming out that also received sick snakes from TSE 3-6 months back claiming their bad dealings!

I too considered buying a number of Hets from TSE a while back...GLAD I DIDN'T!

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The reason i seem to figure out is most people he jacked over were concerned about coming to forums and complaining about a "big shot in the reptile world".Last time someone even mentioned something bad about Chris they were slammed by other members of the forum.Now everyone is joining together to shut him down forever;) .

While I'm not a contributing member of the BOI I do go there quite often. Something I notice with great regularity is how nasty it can get when the 'regulars' don't agree with something. Take this TSE thread for example, when it was first started there were quite a few people very unhappy that someone dare question Chris...And yet people wonder why no one came forward? The pack mentality there has it's drawbacks.
Also, while I appreciate the fact that the BOI is not cheap to run the fact that you have to pay to post is keeping many of the wronged from telling their stories. Over on the RDR forums there is someone who purchased some het pieds and het albinos, two of which are gravid. However he didn't post because he didn't want to pay.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

complaining about a "big shot in the reptile world".

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Did people actually believe that he was a "big shot"? :O

-adam

Early on TSE definitely had their supporters! If it was 1-2 buyers that got scammed, this would've gone a lot different and TSE would still be doing business as usual! After so many complaints came out, TSE supporters jumped ship. Not too mention, Chris did the most damage with his keyboard!

He could've easily made this situation a lot better by sincerely apologizing and cutting everyone a check or shipping them what they paid for, but he basically told everyone to :cens0r: themselves and they better like it!

Not too smart!

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Originally Posted by Entropy

While I'm not a contributing member of the BOI I do go there quite often. Something I notice with great regularity is how nasty it can get when the 'regulars' don't agree with something. Take this TSE thread for example, when it was first started there were quite a few people very unhappy that someone dare question Chris...And yet people wonder why no one came forward? The pack mentality there has it's drawbacks.
Also, while I appreciate the fact that the BOI is not cheap to run the fact that you have to pay to post is keeping many of the wronged from telling their stories. Over on the RDR forums there is someone who purchased some het pieds and het albinos, two of which are gravid. However he didn't post because he didn't want to pay.

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If they were to contact the person taking names of those ripped off he should be able to help them.Or if they contact rich directly he sometimes gives you a 30 day free pass to post your info.Tell them its worth a try.