Cool Side Hide????

My lil BP adopted his bush as his cool side hide.... Most of the time he chills in his log but from time to time he balls up in his tree....:D

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Thats because ball pythons don't like half log hides :P

Get some tight fitting rock-cave type hides. He will like them much more then the log or the....tree.

Oh dear, did your BP tell you that? He doesnt even keep a tight coil in his log, just chills in there..... he is just cooling off in the tree

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Oh dear, did your BP tell you that? He doesnt even keep a tight coil in his log, just chills in there..... he is just cooling off in the tree

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Oh dear, did YOUR BP tell you THAT?

Cause that doesn't make any sense. :/ Don't give me an attitude. I am trying to help.

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Oh dear, did your BP tell you that? He doesnt even keep a tight coil in his log, just chills in there..... he is just cooling off in the tree

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Are you serious? He is trying to feel secure, which the tree nor the half log hide provides security. Just a bit of advice, you may want to take advice of people that have years and years of experience and hundreds of snakes more then you will ever have. Get new hides, and a new attitude.

You really should have two hides in your tank. The tree is decoration, and NOT a hide. Like Kaorte suggested, get tight fitting hides with ONE opening so that your BP will feel more secure. I would not be surprised if your BP is not eating well right now because it feels so vulnerable. If it in face IS being a picky eater, than our tips will be even more helpful.

Another tip: put paper on 3 sides of the glass so your BP will be even more secure (he can never be too secure lol).

BTW, please be nicer to our members, they have MUCH more experience than you and are just trying to help.


Hope this helps,

Are you serious? He is trying to feel secure, which the tree nor the half log hide provides security. Just a bit of advice, you may want to take advice of people that have years and years of experience and hundreds of snakes more then you will ever have. Get new hides, and a new attitude.



that was sarcasm I was using, next time i will make sure to add some kinda smiley in there as an indicator.....:gj: Posts are always takin out of context where no attitude was ever even intended.

He only stays in the tree for about 30-45 minutes and then he goes back in the log..... This is not my first snake and I researched BP's more than I care to admit prior to my first purchase.... He is showing no signs of stress at all? My set up is fine.

I respect the advice this site offers or I wouldnt use it for reference. However, Comming directly at me like that is unnessesary and the advice intended is lost to the "who the heck is this person talkin too". Sorry about comming across like i have an attitude towards people

You have to keep in mind that not everybody will percieve the way you intended. Even if your bp isn't showing any signs of stress, that doesn't mean he isn't stressed. That would moreless be like, my dog has a broken leg, but he's walking fine and not showing any signs of pain, so i'll let him be.

Your bp is your responsibility and he relies on you to take care of him since he's not in his original environment. So as a pet owner you should try to mimmic his environment to the best of your ability.

I'm also not trying to come off as a jerk or anything. I just want people to take care the best way of their snakes that they can.

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Are you serious? He is trying to feel secure, which the tree nor the half log hide provides security. Just a bit of advice, you may want to take advice of people that have years and years of experience and hundreds of snakes more then you will ever have. Get new hides, and a new attitude.



that was sarcasm I was using, next time i will make sure to add some kinda smiley in there as an indicator.....:gj: Posts are always takin out of context where no attitude was ever even intended.

He only stays in the tree for about 30-45 minutes and then he goes back in the log..... This is not my first snake and I researched BP's more than I care to admit prior to my first purchase.... He is showing no signs of stress at all? My set up is fine.

I respect the advice this site offers or I wouldnt use it for reference. However, Comming directly at me like that is unnessesary and the advice intended is lost to the "who the heck is this person talkin too". Sorry about comming across like i have an attitude towards people

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I accept your apology. But you really sould take our adivce because your setup is not fine to be honest. No offence.

I have offered food only once since purchase. I bought him under the impression he was a non-eater and had to be force fed pinkies. I figured I could fix that fairly easy. Let him sit for a week and offered him a small adult mouse and presto, no more eating issues so far. However if I run across a fasting cycle that lasts longer the a month or two I wont hesitate to seek your guys advice.

All meter readings are correct also

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I have offered food only once since purchase. I bought him under the impression he was a non-eater and had to be force fed pinkies. I figured I could fix that fairly easy. Let him sit for a week and offered him a small adult mouse and presto, no more eating issues so far. However if I run across a fasting cycle that lasts longer the a month or two I wont hesitate to seek your guys advice.

All meter readings are correct also

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Do you have analog or digital thermometers/hygrometers? What do you mean by correct? Please explain.

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Are you serious? He is trying to feel secure, which the tree nor the half log hide provides security. Just a bit of advice, you may want to take advice of people that have years and years of experience and hundreds of snakes more then you will ever have. Get new hides, and a new attitude.



that was sarcasm I was using, next time i will make sure to add some kinda smiley in there as an indicator.....:gj: Posts are always takin out of context where no attitude was ever even intended.

He only stays in the tree for about 30-45 minutes and then he goes back in the log..... This is not my first snake and I researched BP's more than I care to admit prior to my first purchase.... He is showing no signs of stress at all? My set up is fine.

I respect the advice this site offers or I wouldnt use it for reference. However, Comming directly at me like that is unnessesary and the advice intended is lost to the "who the heck is this person talkin too". Sorry about comming across like i have an attitude towards people

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Attitude or not, there was no need for the sarcasm towards people that were/are trying to help you and your bp. That is the reason you have received those responses. Maybe next time instead of the sarcasm you can take the advice, learn from it, and help your bp:gj: That might come accross a little better.

I would highly recommend getting different hides.

Half log hides are plain and simple not suitable for BPs. Whether the snake is eating or not, they do not provide enough security for the snake. You can go to the dollar store and get some opaque bowls and cut a hole in the side and those work very well. You don't have to spend a fortune to provide the best environment for your snake.

Kaorte is one of the most knowlegable ppl on here so giv her some respect

Your bp is your responsibility and he relies on you to take care of him since he's not in his original environment. So as a pet owner you should try to mimmic his environment to the best of your ability.


And how is a tub with newspaper, dog bowl, and shoe boxes even close to that.......... its all good, I hear what you are saying however Im going to keep this set up until i move the boa to a baphile and switch the ball over to the boa's current enclosure....... I may switch to a rock hide but I like to be able to check on my snakes without disturbing them.


I just thought is was a good picture op as BP's normally stay out of trees.....

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Do you have analog or digital thermometers/hygrometers? What do you mean by correct? Please explain.

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I had digital meters in my boa cage and my readings were what is rec'd so I moved them to my bp's and got it steady..... Now I switch em back and forth to manage.

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I had digital meters in my boa cage and my readings were what is rec'd so I moved them to my bp's and got it steady..... Now I switch em back and forth to manage.

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What are your readings?

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I had digital meters in my boa cage and my readings were what is rec'd so I moved them to my bp's and got it steady..... Now I switch em back and forth to manage.

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So are you saying you don't have meters/guages that actually stay in the enclosure with your bp? You need to keep guages in both enlcosures at all times to safely keep track and measure the temp/humidity in each. Temps and humidity can fluctuate in a short amount of time and without something that continually measures this, you may not know if it has reached unsafe ranges. What are you using to provide and regulate heat for your snakes?

Gimmie a lil bit.... They are in the Boa Set Up so I want to get accurate readings

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Your bp is your responsibility and he relies on you to take care of him since he's not in his original environment. So as a pet owner you should try to mimmic his environment to the best of your ability.


And how is a tub with newspaper, dog bowl, and shoe boxes even close to that.......... its all good, I hear what you are saying however Im going to keep this set up until i move the boa to a baphile and switch the ball over to the boa's current enclosure....... I may switch to a rock hide but I like to be able to check on my snakes without disturbing them.


I just thought is was a good picture op as BP's normally stay out of trees.....

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BTW how large is the boas cage? I am assuming it is larger, so he will feel even less secure. If you do move it to that cage, at least get TWO hides instead of your current one...

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BTW how large is the boas cage? I am assuming it is larger, so he will feel even less secure. If you do move it to that cage, at least get TWO hides instead of your current one...

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The boa still has about a year left in that one....... the boas enclosure is 36"x12".....

The BP is in a 10 until then

I would definately recommend getting a thermo/hydro to keep in each enclsoure at all times. Like somebody else stated it only takes a minute or 2 for temperatures to fluxuate.

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I would definately recommend getting a thermo/hydro to keep in each enclsoure at all times. Like somebody else stated it only takes a minute or 2 for temperatures to fluxuate.

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I do understand this, but once you get them steady, especially in the same room, if one is not flucuating, the other is normally doing the same.... at least with my experience anyways..... I dont need two

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I do understand this, but once you get them steady, especially in the same room, if one is not flucuating, the other is normally doing the same.... at least with my experience anyways..... I dont need two

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Yes you do. What if your thermostat (you do have a thermostat right?) acts up? You will not know...

"Pack mentality"

lol....so if i had one cage I would need two thermo's..... good to go

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question of my integrity??? very well.... I take pride in all my animals and keep them at a top notch level.... a log hide does not intrude on my snakes well being....

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Yes you do. What if your thermostat (you do have a thermostat right?) acts up? You will not know...

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No, you don't NEED two. It's your recommendation that he has two. He understands the risk he is taking by not having one for each enclosure and if he chooses to take that risk it is his choice.

STEW, you say that your BP lies spread out while inside the log hide, thats probably because they like to feel the walls of their hide, it makes them feel more secure.

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question of my integrity??? very well.... I take pride in all my animals and keep them at a top notch level.... a log hide does not intrude on my snakes well being....

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If you keep your animals at top notch level, then you will make their home as secure and safe as possible. Thats means having two hides that are not half logs. Having a thermostat and at least one thermometer per cage. I am not leaving this thread and will not return. I really hope for the sake of your snakes that you take my, and everyone else's advice. We are all trying to help. Goodbye.

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a log hide does not intrude on my snakes well being....

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From my experience, and from many others, yes it does intrude on the snakes well being.

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If you keep your animals at top notch level, then you will make their home as secure and safe as possible. Thats means having two hides that are not half logs. Having a thermostat and at least one thermometer per cage. I am not leaving this thread and will not return. I really hope for the sake of your snakes that you take my, and everyone else's advice. We are all trying to help. Goodbye.

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Typo :/ I AM leaving this tread and will not return. Now Good day!

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STEW, you say that your BP lies spread out while inside the log hide, thats probably because they like to feel the walls of their hide, it makes them feel more secure.

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looks like a cinnamon bun.....head sittin on top in middle....he is chillen yo

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From my experience, and from many others, yes it does intrude on the snakes well being.

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explain this, is it cuz they can see out the back...... he is always lookin to the front, he dont care

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looks like a cinnamon bun.....head sittin on top in middle....he is chillen yo




explain this, is it cuz they can see out the back...... he is always lookin to the front, he dont care

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The fact that he was even in that tree "chilling" is proof of that.

Ball pythons spend 90% of their time in their hides (when they are content). They shouldn't just randomly be sitting in a tree, exposed. They are most content when they are completely hidden.

Just try it out. I am trying to help your setup. I bet that within a week of having the new hides, you will never see the snake sitting in the tree again (which is a good thing!).

I wouldn't suggest it if I didn't think it worked. I think it benefits the snake and I think you should change your hides. :)

Here he is relaxin in the log......

He does spend 90%, maybe more, in his hide. He is only occansionally in the tree. I thought I said that, maybe not

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I just thought is was a good picture op as BP's normally stay out of trees.....

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There's a reason for that.

The pictures don't show "top notch". Since there has been only one feeding, it sounds like you haven't had this BP for long. With time, it may eventually show signs of stress from being too exposed. Their need for total seclusion outweighs our desire for them to be visible.

Okay, usually I don't interject myself into these kinds of threads because I don't like to argue with anyone. And I still hope that none of my comments are taken the wrong way, however, from the original pictures your tank definitely looks too open and exposed. I don't think there's any problem with you having a tree in there, but you really should have some hides that are more secure. And especially from the last pic you just posted, that hide does not look adequate at all. It, in my opinion, doesn't even really pass as a hide. It's way too high and open. From the picture, it looks like nothing more than a narrow piece of wood and doesn't afford much, if any, security. And if that's the only "hide" you have in the tank, the only reason he stays under there (or in the tree) is because there's nothing else. Again, I am not trying to offend or attack you and it seems like you care about your snakes, so, for the good of your ball python, I would highly recommend getting 2 secure, cave-like hides. Like Kaorte said, you can just buy some dark plastic bowls and put holes in them.

I think it's great that your snake ate and I hope he continues to do so. Obviously the husbandry of your snake is your business, but since you posted on this forum we are just trying to help you. I can guarantee your ball will be much happier if you get 2 secure hides and try filling in the rest of your tank with more fake plants, branches etc. Good luck and remember we are just trying to help you provide a better environment for your snake :)

this is frustrating.....

Hi,

I understand your frustration but please do not use that word as a derogatory term.


dr del

Why is everyone so ready to throw out their opinions and cram their advice down everyones throats when clearly in the original post nothing was asked for. I have noticed this in a few threads and seems like a trend... :mad:

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Why is everyone so ready to throw out their opinions and cram their advice down everyones throats when clearly in the original post nothing was asked for. I have noticed this in a few threads and seems like a trend... :mad:

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This site tends to put the animals first and not the needs of the keepers to have a pretty display tank. When the members see things that are off, they will more than likely going to say something about it. Some folks are receptive to the advice and some aren't. I have seen some decent advice given here and it's just not being received well so people tend to get defensive.

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Why is everyone so ready to throw out their opinions and cram their advice down everyones throats when clearly in the original post nothing was asked for. I have noticed this in a few threads and seems like a trend... :mad:

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If I posted a picture showing something detrimental to the health and wellbeing of our BP which was pointed out, with suggestions made to remedy the situation, I'd be very grateful and appreciative of the help. Probably because it's so easy to unknowingly stress BPs and also because this site is geared toward sharing info, people jump in doing exactly that. I'm glad for it!

I bet he is about to have a heart attack for sure now... he gots a half naked kid holding him and that monster to keep on eye on.... definetly detreminal to the health and well being of that guy....... watch out lil buddy

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Keep up the sarcastic comments and no one will be willing to help with any of your questions.

Not trying to be rude, but if you throw our advice back in our faces after asking for it, it will stop coming.

I asked for no advice partner...... Im pretty sure thats how this thread got flipped in the first place......

No comment on how nice a pic that is or anything....... :salute:

I hope the OP has fed the snake more than once since he posted all of this. If not, then it's not receiving a proper amount of food, either.

It's disturbing when a person feels the need to justify incorrect husbandry. If the snake is eating once a week, then the chances are it will be ok--if it is not, then the chances are, his setup will be a contributing factor in the snake's decline. It looks very young, and snakes that age need to eat at least once a week.

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I asked for no advice partner...... Im pretty sure thats how this thread got flipped in the first place......

No comment on how nice a pic that is or anything....... :salute:

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by posting pictures of how cool you think your snake in a tree is, you ARE asking for advice indirectly. people have only been trying to help and you have been nothing but snide and sarcastic from the jump. and now after all that nonsense you want people to tell you how cool your NEW picture is that you just posted (also with alot of sarcasm). really?

I'm kind of curious why you would have your son(assuming) holding a ball python right near a red tail boa?

Hi,

Probably just to show off both snakes - that is, afterall, what we would assume someone was doing if they pictures two ball pythons or such in a photo.

As long as neither snake is new and proper quarantine has been done I don't see much of a problem with it.

If, however, one is new and there was no quarantine then there is the obvious disease transmission risk with the horrible spectre of IBD hovering in the background.

I haven't read anything by the OP which enables me to know which situation is accurate.


dr del

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Hi,

Probably just to show off both snakes - that is, afterall, what we would assume someone was doing if they pictures two ball pythons or such in a photo.

As long as neither snake is new and proper quarantine has been done I don't see much of a problem with it.

If, however, one is new and there was no quarantine then there is the obvious disease transmission risk with the horrible spectre of IBD hovering in the background.

I haven't read anything by the OP which enables me to know which situation is accurate.


dr del

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Even with being proper quarantined, from what i've researched and read. There isn't a way to actually identify IBD, unless it's showing. So even with being properly quarantined and such, the boa could still contain IBD, correct?

Hi,

Well if he has had both in close proximity for a period of time greater than say three months the BP would probably be dead if the boa was carrying IBD.

Some breeders actually use a male BP in the boa quarantine room as a tester for IBD ( like using a canary down a mine to find gas ).

If he had not previously had them in close proximity then he gets to wait and see if the python dies (definately the worst case scenario - don't immediately panic ) or if they transmitted any of the many other diseases to each other such as RI's, mites carrying blood bourne illness etc.

My point was we do not know anything about the length of time he has had either or the quarantine procedures he uses.


dr del