My New baby. Ivory Ball Python

Hello I am new here. Here is my snake Lucy.

Here is my new baby. I got her from a friend. He said that she is a leusistic ball python with the black eyes and red pupils. She is about 8-12 months. Very docile.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1063515...7613529030942/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3461/...cf3d1e735e.jpg

Hi,

You might want to rename her a little but she is gorgeous anyway.

Oh and :welcome: to the site :colbert2:

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...ll-python.html


dr del

Def. and Ivory...not straight white. Pretty snake though.

Hi, welcome to the site! That's a gorgeous snake you've got there, I love Ivory eyes :P Grats!

thank you guys but i am un familiar with some of the terminology what exactly does Def. stand for?
so she is not a legit leusistic?

http://www.constrictors.com/Collecti...allPython.html

An Ivory is a form of leucism, but it is the muddier of the bunch (not a bad thing - many of us love ivories).

There are other cleaner leucistics, so most people discern between Ivories and Leucistics.

Not the best explanation, but I am sure someone can elaborated (or debunk) what I just said. :)

Welcome to the site, she is a nice snake.

Bruce

def. = definitely.

Ivory is a different morph, completely separate from the blue-eyed and black-eyed leucistics. It is the super form of the yellowbellies :)

and "def" means "definite"...

Hi,

Def = definately.

And No, she looks to be an ivory - if you look carefully at her eyes you can see they are dark blue rather than jet black. And both the ivory and the black BEL have red pupils.

As I said though check out some of the morphs that you can combine with yellowbelly - she is a great snake to have in your collection.


dr del

If I can make another comment... why not ask the guy that gave her to you?

People do not accidentally buy or breed Ivories and not know what they have (or Leucistics either for that matter).

I am sure it would take one phone call to determine exactly what she is.

Bruce

i have asked him. he got the snake when she was like a month old. he was told that she was leusistic, black eye, red pupil. he has had her for the past couple of months telling everyone that she was leusistic. now he hit a snag and cant take care of her anymore so he decided to let me adopt her. i guess I can take her to a reptile store and ask them to check her out.

Definately an Ivory. Black-eye Leucisitcs don't have that faint back/head pattern.

Odds are your typical pet store wouldn't have the slightest idea what it was.

definetly Ivory, but gorgeous. I would love to have one of these guys white snakes are bad @$$:gj:

thats an ivory without question. those purpleish/yellow stripe on the back will fade with time.
black eye lucys dont have the grey head or the stripe, but they can have varied amounts of yellow patches on them.
i have both snakes in question:banana:

as for the pet store i would take that snake to any pet store. either you will risk your snake getting something or risk someone wanting to steal it(it has happened)

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Ivory is a different morph, completely separate from the blue-eyed and black-eyed leucistics. It is the super form of the yellowbellies :)

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This is very true. However it is a form of Lescistic. There are different types of "Leucism" the full Lucys like the BEL and Black EL, but Pied exhibits a form as do the spiders.

YB is a form of "Leucism"

wow, you guys know your stuff.
i guess the evidence is pointing to an Ivory. so i am going to let the kid know but i am still happy with her :)
by the way what is a good substrate for her?

that is a matter of opinion. I have used aspen, coconut bark, and paper towels and didn't have a problem with either. I like the aspen and coconut bark because it keep and holds humidity well, but the paper towels make it MUCH easier to clean.

Did you pay for it? I think I saw where you adopted it so I assume you paid an adoption fee or was given to you for free. Hope you didn't pay Lucy prices for it.

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that is a matter of opinion. I have used aspen, coconut bark, and paper towels and didn't have a problem with either. I like the aspen and coconut bark because it keep and holds humidity well, but the paper towels make it MUCH easier to clean.

Did you pay for it? I think I saw where you adopted it so I assume you paid an adoption fee or was given to you for free. Hope you didn't pay Lucy prices for it.

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i guess ill look around i think i may get some coconut bark, some one told me that was fine for her.
i did not pay a cent for her. the guy that i got her from is a rich kid and had to get rid of her fast, so he asked me if I wanted her. he gave me the snake and her entire habitat. the only thing that I need to pay for is her food. he told me that he paid $2000 for her.

Black eyeds go for 10k (last I saw on constrictors) and Ivories are at $4500 at NERD. I would call what you got one hell of a deal! Wish I had rich kids wanting to give away morphs...

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Black eyeds go for 10k (last I saw on constrictors) and Ivories are at $4500 at NERD. I would call what you got one hell of a deal! Wish I had rich kids wanting to give away morphs...

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Both of those prices are way out of date I saw Ivorys in Daytona for 1800.00.

Even so.. its a fantastic snake. :D

I took the Ivory price off NERD.

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I took the Ivory price off NERD.

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I know.

do you guys think that its okay to get this substrate for her?
according to the description it says that it is safe for ball pythons.

http://www.petmountain.com/product/b...-bedding-.html

if there is anything better than let me know. i am looking to get a sand like substrate.
please let me know.

paper towels are the best. i wouldn't use anything else. BTW, awesome ivory! really pretty!

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paper towels are the best. i wouldn't use anything else. BTW, awesome ivory! really pretty!

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yea thats what I have been told. but I feel that she can handle that substrate. I just want to make sure that it wont kill her. and I sure as hell am not going to ask petco. those guys are morons.

Looks like an ivory to me, still gorgeous and highly useful in any breeder's collection!

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Originally Posted by Little B-Py

Black eyeds go for 10k (last I saw on constrictors) and Ivories are at $4500 at NERD. I would call what you got one hell of a deal! Wish I had rich kids wanting to give away morphs...

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black eyeds are around 3-5k depending on sex and how much yellow is on the animal

ivories are anywhere from 1200-1800 depending on sex and how nice it is.

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Looks like an ivory to me, still gorgeous and highly useful in any breeder's collection!

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yea we have determined that it is in fact an ivory. i just cant change the title. if a moderator would be so kind as to change the title to "My New baby. Ivory Ball Python" i would appreciate it.
but as for the substrate question I am looking for a straight answer. I don't want to accidentally kill her if I decide to use it.

Never heard of that bedding being used for snakes.

I would not keep any snake or lizard on any such bedding myself. Especially anything that clumps.

Considering how much they urinate and how efficient they are at tipping their dishes.

I would not want to risk it personally. We know that certain types of wood are safe, as are paper sheets.

Bruce

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if a moderator would be so kind as to change the title to "My New baby. Ivory Ball Python"

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We cannot change thread titles.

Bruce

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do you guys think that its okay to get this substrate for her?
according to the description it says that it is safe for ball pythons.

http://www.petmountain.com/product/b...-bedding-.html

if there is anything better than let me know. i am looking to get a sand like substrate.
please let me know.

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Ralph I have read about Desert Snow in many different threads on this site, almost anyone on this site will recommend, aspen, coconut, desert snow, newspaper or paper towel.

I personally wanted to use the desert snow but it is pricey compared to aspen, So i went with aspen in my 20gL tank, got a huge bag for 20$

I would say, if the desert snow is in your price range, then do it, it would look cool seeing your ivory girl disappear in it!!!! :gj:

Here's a thread on substrate, might help clear some questions up!
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ht=desert+snow

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Ralph I have read about Desert Snow in many different threads on this site, almost anyone on this site will recommend, aspen, coconut, desert snow, newspaper or paper towel.

I personally wanted to use the desert snow but it is pricey compared to aspen, So i went with aspen in my 20gL tank, got a huge bag for 20$

I would say, if the desert snow is in your price range, then do it, it would look cool seeing your ivory girl disappear in it!!!! :gj:

Here's a thread on substrate, might help clear some questions up!
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ht=desert+snow

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exactly the answer i was looking for. thank you bobby for your input. i will be doing some more research.

Heck I wouldnt care what the kid called it I would gladly call it mine. especially for that price lol. Most of the time when someone is given a morph its a pastel or one of the lower end snakes not an ivory. I will gladly take her off your hands lol. :D

I lied... title changed. :gj:

Desert Snow is a great substrate, and I've used it off and on. It's a little pricey, but other than that, it works just fine .

Weren't you asking how much you could get for this snake in a two year old thread you pulled up outta' now where? Are you going to keep and care for this BP? The tone of that other thread sounded like you were looking to sell it off?

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t=45671&page=3

I love Ivories. I bought a pair of Yellow Bellies so i can make some. But im mixing them with albino first to get rid of the grey. I think an Albino Ivory would be awesome. Would look like a yellow headed Leucistic.

Excellent pick up! I would take that animal in a heartbeat! I love ivories!!! I prefer them over the other white bp's!

It's turned out that there are many different ways to make a white snake, the various lines all have their strong points. Ivories have that nice purple and gold stripe down their backs, however that tends to disappear as they get older and they get whiter and whiter. Desert snow is a good substrate but it's kind of expensive. They also make it dyed different colors like yellow and purple and it can make for a pretty interesting display cage.

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I lied... title changed. :gj:

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Thank You!!

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Desert Snow is a great substrate, and I've used it off and on. It's a little pricey, but other than that, it works just fine .

Weren't you asking how much you could get for this snake in a two year old thread you pulled up outta' now where? Are you going to keep and care for this BP? The tone of that other thread sounded like you were looking to sell it off?

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t=45671&page=3

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yea i'm not worried about the price of the substrate i actually think its cheap. i just wanted to make sure that its safe for her.

I am currently not planning to sell her. I just wanted to see what she was worth. I thought she was a true lucy, black eye, red pupil, and I saw somewhere that they are worth $6,000 so i wanted to check on that and I ran into this site, but now since I know that she is an Ivory i know that she is between $1000 - $2000.

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Thank You!!


yea i'm not worried about the price of the substrate i actually think its cheap. i just wanted to make sure that its safe for her.

I am currently not planning to sell her. I just wanted to see what she was worth. I thought she was a true lucy, black eye, red pupil, and I saw somewhere that they are worth $6,000 so i wanted to check on that and I ran into this site, but now since I know that she is an Ivory i know that she is between $1000 - $2000.

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that is really a nice ivory mine had that deep of a purpe stripe just just lately. i wish they kept it its cool looking with the purple and yellow.

thank you all for your input but I have a question concerning vibrations. I have a pretty powerful audio system that is in the same room as the snake (my room) and I am concerned that maybe the bass from the subwoofer will hurt/annoy her.
here is the setup i currently have.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2760/img0009go9.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7952/img0010lx4.jpg

what are your opinions about this?

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Its not to the point where everything rattles. Its just a decent thump of bass.

I have my BP in a room where we have music on often and I have not noticed and differences in her behaviour or feeding response because of it. Although, each snake is different. If your snake isn't feeding on a regualr basis, it might be time to move the tank or turn the music down.

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I have my BP in a room where we have music on often and I have not noticed and differences in her behaviour or feeding response because of it. Although, each snake is different. If your snake isn't feeding on a regualr basis, it might be time to move the tank or turn the music down.

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okay, well she did just move into the house on monday so i guess ill monitor her and see if it affects her. but thanks for that.

I use cypress mulch for all of my animals, and they love it!

It keeps humidity in the perfect range, as well as gives them something to burrow in if they feel the need. It also helps during sheds.

as your snake grows, you will need to change that enclosure. A 20 gallon long aquarium or similar ( Vision enclosures, or Boaphile or Animal plastics) will work for a subadult animal, and then you would have to upgrade again as the snake outgrows it.

Congrats ivorys are pure hottness.

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Congrats ivorys are pure hottness.

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thanks dude. i see your from miami. what part? im from miami beach.

okay i went ahead and bout a bag of "Zoo Med - Premium Repti Bark, Natural Reptile Bedding". I hope its fine for her. I did notice that its a little strong on the odor. Is this stuff fine for her?

As far as vibrations. I know I am neurotic when it comes to my snakes, but they keep their bodies and faces against the floor of their enclosures, and all those vibrations are going to be felt by them.

I would try to minimize it if you can.

Guess it depends on what you mean. I.e. I had my first BP in my office. I had a system in there, but I did not crank the music and rumble walls... my neighbour on the other hand, a DJ, would rattle my walls, and he had the sickliest looking boa I have ever seen. It looked stressed out and an absolute mess.

Other things going on mind you.

But do what you can to minimize tank vibrations if you can. Do not let the tank or the furniture that it is one touch the wall, if your speakers touch the wall. Little things like that.

It may be worth starting a thread in the husbandry section if you want help setting up an ideal enclosure for your snake though. Or to read through many of the stickies and pre-existing threads.

A move for a BP can be very stressful, so you do want to ensure it is a smooth transition for her.

Bruce

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thanks dude. i see your from miami. what part? im from miami beach.

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I'm originally from the weschester area but now I live in miami lakes.

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okay i went ahead and bout a bag of "Zoo Med - Premium Repti Bark, Natural Reptile Bedding". I hope its fine for her. I did notice that its a little strong on the odor. Is this stuff fine for her?

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I hated Repti Bark. It was extremely dusty and lumpy. My BPs would have pink spots and dents on their bellies from their weight resting on the hard lumpy pieces. It also was weird about humidity (not very absorbent), and doesn't hold heat well due to the large air pockets.

I use cypress mulch (double-milled is best), or shredded aspen, both of which are much better at holding humidity and warmth. They are also softer for the snakes to lay on (especially the aspen). I think they both smell pretty good. The aspen is easier to see poo on, especially if you've got a small snake that's making small poos. As was previously mentioned, you can buy these bulk for pretty cheap from pet stores, farm supply stores, and lawn and garden stores.

Good luck with your girl; that was a pretty sweet deal!
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