Ultimate morph yet to be produced....

I got to thinking today, what will be the ultimate morph that is still to be produced? I have had many possible morphs run through my mind, but I am really wanting to see a Banana Clown Pied! I know there many more combo morphs out there to make, and I am sure some slipped my mind, but I think this will be one freaky ball! Whats your opinions?

Banana clown pied would be very cool.

I however... want a axanthic killer bee pied.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Banana clown pied would be very cool.

I however... want a axanthic killer bee pied.

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A white snake with a black spider head pattern? lol.

I want a fire pastel bee.

I'm a simple guy with simple taste. Lets see the Hypo Killer Stinger Bee :D

I'll take it up one notch...Banana Clown Caramel Pied. :cool:

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Originally Posted by stangs13

a white snake with a black spider head pattern? Lol.

I want a fire pastel bee.

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Yes!

How about an invisible ball python.....oooooooh!

On a more serious note...I think a "reverse" of any bee combo would be awesome. Ie, the typically black spider markings on a bumblebee would be yellow, and the pastel body would be black. The yellowjacket. I doubt it is not ever going to happen (without genetic engineering)....but cool.

True Ghost Killer Bee all the way!

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Originally Posted by ThyTempest

How about an invisible ball python.....oooooooh!

On a more serious note...I think a "reverse" of any bee combo would be awesome. Ie, the typically black spider markings on a bumblebee would be yellow, and the pastel body would be black. The yellowjacket. I doubt it is not ever going to happen (without genetic engineering)....but cool.

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Actually, you aren't too far off from something that has already been produced, Brian at BHB produced the Golddust Spider, which is a Super Opal Spider. The Opal is a morph he got from a captive hatch shipment, and this past year he produced the super Opal Spider which is a chocolate looking ball python with gold spider markings. I haven't seen it in person, but he tells me it reminds him alot of the Golden Child Retics that Kevin at NERD produced. There is a video on youtube from one of the past shows, maybe Anaheim, where he shows "muffdaddy" the Golddust Spider, but you can't pickup the golden spider pattern too much in the video. So personally Im not convinced that your ultimate morph is impossible to make, would a Super Black Pastel Spider black out the Spider pattern????

Nothing to crazy but I am working on the super black pastel/super calico. One day:)
I am a big contrast fan:gj:

I saw the golddust spider when we picked up our corns....honestly, I wasnt that impressed, but I am pretty picky. The things I like, I REALLY like, and the things I dont REALLY like...are just meh.

I dunno about the super black pastel/spider combo....I think you may be right, and lose the pattern mutation essentially...but I still dont see how we could incorporate some lemoney goodness effectively.

In my Opinion?

Albino Hypo Piebald.

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Originally Posted by AaronP

In my Opinion?

Albino Hypo Piebald.

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Wouldnt that look like a normal albino pied?

I'm gonna have to go with Hypo- Super Pastel-Fire- Pied!

(no idea how that would look, but it could be cool!)

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Wouldnt that look like a normal albino pied?

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Nope, Hypo Albinos = Orange & White. Albino Pieds = Yellow and White when Adults.

A Hypo Albino Pied would likely be Orange and White with pied patterns as adults.

SUPER PASTEL VANILLA IVORY ALBINO!!!!!!!

dont ask where that came from....

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

I'm a simple guy with simple taste. Lets see the Hypo Killer Stinger Bee :D

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Wow, yeah that definately comes to mind when I think "simple tastes", sounds great though. :D

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Originally Posted by RKO

SUPER PASTEL VANILLA IVORY ALBINO!!!!!!!

dont ask where that came from....

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:rolleye2:

Pink Eyed Lucy

albino black eyed lucy lol:banana:

Cool morphs guys, I just think its cool that there are SO many different combos out there to be produced, and once those are produced it opens the door to so many newer combos to be produced. Its going to be fun seeing these new ones pop up.

Axanthic Reverce Spider all black w/ white markings would be awesome...

Or...

A Coral Bee would be sweet!

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Originally Posted by AaronP

Nope, Hypo Albinos = Orange & White. Albino Pieds = Yellow and White when Adults.

A Hypo Albino Pied would likely be Orange and White with pied patterns as adults.

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How does removing melanin from yellow result in orange? Especially when the albino gene has already removed all the melanin.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Nothing to crazy but I am working on the super black pastel/super calico. One day:)
I am a big contrast fan:gj:

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NICE!
:gj::salute::bow::bow::bow::salute::gj:

Tiger Pin Pied :O

My kids have the best ideas when it comes to putting these morph combos together. She walked up to me and said "dad, can you make a Coral Glow Bee?" I looked at her and said, "Baby girl, I love you!"

She came up with another and I started work on that one. I'm in the second phase of four on a quad het project.

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Originally Posted by m00kfu

How does removing melanin from yellow result in orange? Especially when the albino gene has already removed all the melanin.

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http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...host/hypo.html

Speaks for itself.

honestly i dont think pied should be part of the ultimate morph... in terms of looks, when putting 2 or 3 genes into a pied you would probably hardly be able to tell they are all even there. some of the pied combos you can only tell its a combo cuz of its head pattern.... i like the cow pie tho!

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Originally Posted by andwhy6

honestly i dont think pied should be part of the ultimate morph... in terms of looks, when putting 2 or 3 genes into a pied you would probably hardly be able to tell they are all even there. some of the pied combos you can only tell its a combo cuz of its head pattern.... i like the cow pie tho!

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When they're co-dom, yes, but most recessives tend to play rather well with pied :).

Besides a Triple Recessive animal? Can't go wrong.

clown super phantom goblin

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Originally Posted by andwhy6

honestly i dont think pied should be part of the ultimate morph... in terms of looks, when putting 2 or 3 genes into a pied you would probably hardly be able to tell they are all even there. some of the pied combos you can only tell its a combo cuz of its head pattern.... i like the cow pie tho!

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But imagine this guy as a Pied:

http://www.proexotics.com/pricelist_...208-08%203.jpg

That would be HAWT!!!

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Originally Posted by Slim

But imagine this guy as a Pied:

http://www.proexotics.com/pricelist_...208-08%203.jpg

That would be HAWT!!!

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No really, that would result in a pure white snake with only the head just like that one linked above. I second the pied doesn't make good multi morph snakes especially when co-dom genes are introduced.

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Originally Posted by JKExotics

No really, that would result in a pure white snake with only the head just like that one linked above.

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How do you know that?

one goal of mine is to produce a super pastel jigsaw. then try to add the fire gene to that.

The ultimate morph for any snake has always been and will always be:

The Plaid Snake!

My ultimate goal when it comes to BP breeding is a Super Pastel Cinnamon Hypo Fire.

I think any snake that when bred to a normal would produce all 4 gene combos would be an ultimate..something like a super pastel super phantom supper spot-nose super enchi

I want to see a Killer Banana Clown Carmel Super Cinny Pied Albino

Daniel

Desert pin desert ghost, that would be codom desert/pinstripe/recesive desert ghost ...

For me it would be a super pastel spider champagne cinny axanthic ball
in other words, a killer bee champagne cinny axanthic ( i think a super pastel spider is a killer bee, correct me if im wrong)

Speaking of multiple combo morphs...

At some point, when the combos get into a multiple of multiples, isn't identification of some of the offspring going to be difficult to the point where a specimen can be argued either way, or, at least open to speculation?

Does anyone see my point?

Has there been issues like this already?

Brandon

A super normal

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

Speaking of multiple combo morphs...

At some point, when the combos get into a multiple of multiples, isn't identification of some of the offspring going to be difficult to the point where a specimen can be argued either way, or, at least open to speculation?

Does anyone see my point?

Has there been issues like this already?

Brandon

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i've wondered that myself

how about a hypo champagne super patel g. stripe (mimosa super patel g.stripe)

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

Speaking of multiple combo morphs...

At some point, when the combos get into a multiple of multiples, isn't identification of some of the offspring going to be difficult to the point where a specimen can be argued either way, or, at least open to speculation?

Does anyone see my point?

Has there been issues like this already?

Brandon

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I think a number of combos are just going to be a smushy looking mess and not worth much, but they are going to need to be tested to see I'm sure plenty of mixes are left to be discovered.

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Originally Posted by BrandonsBalls

Speaking of multiple combo morphs...

At some point, when the combos get into a multiple of multiples, isn't identification of some of the offspring going to be difficult to the point where a specimen can be argued either way, or, at least open to speculation?

Does anyone see my point?

Has there been issues like this already?

Brandon

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Actually, I've seen this happen with a few different combos (though, off the top of my head, I can't remember which ones exactly). Essentially, if I remember correctly, in each case the combo animals were (in my opinion) less than stellar looking and needed to be held back to determine their exact genotype.

I've seen breeders combine genes that they still didn't fully understand. I've also seen combos that resulted in either very subtle (and, thus, wholly unimpressive phenotypes) or were the exact opposite and were far too "messy" looking. Some of the white snakes that have been produced are likely a case of the genes canceling out all pigmentation and I'm sure that the more triple, quadruple and even quintuple gene combinations we see produced will also start to result in the same phenotypical epistasis (one gene canceling out the expression of one or more genes) response.

I had heard a few years ago about a "plan" or a way to create what I would consider the pinnacle of combos - the blue ball. It seems far fetched on the surface, but the idea was to use the "banana ball" along with a few other morphs in what what would end up being a decade-long experiment to create an all blue snake. It seemed plausible at the time.

Anything after that would be small potatoes in my book.

Caramel Glow Pied. Considering that's a triple recessive, it could be a while. I don't know if anybody is even working on it.

Brock Wagner is working on Ultramel Clowns and I think that would make a killer combo. Add hypo to the mix since I've yet to see hypo not improve anything and that would be my ultimate morph. What would it be called? Ultra Glow Clown?

het for everything.

If I ever have the funds for said project I would like to produce super black pastel lavender albino ball pythons...... a solid white snake as a baby, but as the lavender albino matures and the lavender comes out.......... I think it should be spifftacular

Haven't checked the whole thread yet, but the first thing that popped into my head is "Caramel Mojave Pied" - yowza, that would be cool. :rolleye2: