to anyone who thinks they have a morph

unless you pay the price you are getting a NORMAL BALL PYTHON!!!!!!!jeez,i have seen a billion threads latley about is this a morph?wat is he?hes so different than the others,is he some kind of morph?sometimes these snakes are so normal i kinda throw up in my mouth.there are web sites that give plenty of info on morphed ball pythons.its almost a comedy seeing people just waiting to hear yea you got a heck of a deal on that baby!guess wat,you didnt get a deal,you got a normal ball python.

Hmm. I hadn't asked about what my BP was, but I am very much a beginner when it comes to snakes. I guess I was mistaken, but I thought one of the reasons for a website like this one was for new people to ask questions. :rolleyes: Why don't you point us to some websites that compare normals with morphs and explain patterns, shading, etc.? Do you know of any?

:) Chill out a bit... they're newbies and they're excited. I'm sure you had a time when you had an unusual looking normal and thought there might be a chance it was more. :)

If there's a problem at all with multiple askings of the same question, it's that these new people are so excited/worried about something that they don't bother to do a search for the thing they're wanting to know. Instead, they just post a new thread which is much faster.

As to the websites to ID morphs... if there isn't already a thread with that info, I'll go ahead and make one. :)

NEVER expect to get a morph at a Petco, Petsmart or Petland (include other mom and pop shops here, unless otherwise acknowledged by other hobbyists). I've spend a few thousand dollars on my morphs and I don't regret it, but please don't be jipped by anyone telling you your getting a Pastel or Lesser at a Petco. They don't carry morphs they only carry crateload imports with diseases.

While some questions are asked over and over again (whether it is “is my BP a morph?” or “why is my BP is not eating?”) you have to remember that for the person asking, it is the first time that they ask the question.

Yes people could do some research (and some do) however some people need that want that 1 on 1 attention and guidance from someone that is more experienced and there is nothing wrong with that, that is why forums are here for to answer questions.

As for anyone who would be tired of answering the same question again and again, there is a very simple solution: do not answer the post, you don't have to if you don't want to. ;)

Exactly. :) Well said, Deb. There are certainly times when I see ANOTHER thread asking such-and-such and sigh mightily... but the best thing to do then is just go on to something else. That, or take a deep breath and remember that you were once an excited newbie yourself. :D

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Actually our closest Petco sells Pastels but they are marked as such ;)

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Ok I stand corrected. I've seen them sell regulars as Pastels in my area that's why I said so, sorry.

I find it so upsetting when there are constant "if i hear ____ question again" blah blah blah.. there was a time when i too came on here in the beginning hoping perhaps i picked up something "Special" and besides how do you think the first subtle morphs were identified "hey you think this looks weird".. turning into a mojave, yellow belly, woma, pastel exc.. not every morph is an in your face morph they are today. Obviously now we know what morph is what but im talking about in the beginning for some of them. kwim?? The only way to know is to ask.. it would be sad if people couldnt come here and post asking questions when they too want to know and learn. Cut them some slack.. the only stupid question/topic is the one not posted. Skip it if your so annoyed, bothered, inconvenienced by it

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I find it so upsetting when there are constant "if i hear ____ question again" blah blah blah.. there was a time when i too came on here in the beginning hoping perhaps i picked up something "Special" and besides how do you think the first subtle morphs were identified "hey you think this looks weird".. turning into a mojave, yellow belly, woma, pastel exc.. not every morph is an in your face morph they are today. Obviously now we know what morph is what but im talking about in the beginning for some of them. kwim?? The only way to know is to ask.. it would be sad if people couldnt come here and post asking questions when they too want to know and learn. Cut them some slack.. the only stupid question/topic is the one not posted. Skip it if your so annoyed, bothered, inconvenienced by it

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Agreed. I think there are many of us who feel the OP was out of line.

This is a forum, were here to answer questions, however annoying they get( Especially when repeated...) When you think about it almost every question has been answered, and its as simple as using the search tab to find them. If everyone did that then the forum would go dead other than people helping with setups.

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:) Chill out a bit... they're newbies and they're excited. I'm sure you had a time when you had an unusual looking normal and thought there might be a chance it was more. :)

If there's a problem at all with multiple askings of the same question, it's that these new people are so excited/worried about something that they don't bother to do a search for the thing they're wanting to know. Instead, they just post a new thread which is much faster.

As to the websites to ID morphs... if there isn't already a thread with that info, I'll go ahead and make one. :)

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While some questions are asked over and over again (whether it is “is my BP a morph?” or “why is my BP is not eating?”) you have to remember that for the person asking, it is the first time that they ask the question.

Yes people could do some research (and some do) however some people need that want that 1 on 1 attention and guidance from someone that is more experienced and there is nothing wrong with that, that is why forums are here for to answer questions.

As for anyone who would be tired of answering the same question again and again, there is a very simple solution: do not answer the post, you don't have to if you don't want to. ;)

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Exactly. :) Well said, Deb. There are certainly times when I see ANOTHER thread asking such-and-such and sigh mightily... but the best thing to do then is just go on to something else. That, or take a deep breath and remember that you were once an excited newbie yourself. :D

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I find it so upsetting when there are constant "if i hear ____ question again" blah blah blah.. there was a time when i too came on here in the beginning hoping perhaps i picked up something "Special" and besides how do you think the first subtle morphs were identified "hey you think this looks weird".. turning into a mojave, yellow belly, woma, pastel exc.. not every morph is an in your face morph they are today. Obviously now we know what morph is what but im talking about in the beginning for some of them. kwim?? The only way to know is to ask.. it would be sad if people couldnt come here and post asking questions when they too want to know and learn. Cut them some slack.. the only stupid question/topic is the one not posted. Skip it if your so annoyed, bothered, inconvenienced by it

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I say let them ask away!

If you don't want to respond then don't click on the thread to begin with....

It's easy to look at the title of the thread, gather what the content will be about, and either click the link or simply skip over it. I only open threads that look interesting to me.

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unless you pay the price you are getting a NORMAL BALL PYTHON!!!!!!!jeez,i have seen a billion threads latley about is this a morph?wat is he?hes so different than the others,is he some kind of morph?sometimes these snakes are so normal i kinda throw up in my mouth.there are web sites that give plenty of info on morphed ball pythons.its almost a comedy seeing people just waiting to hear yea you got a heck of a deal on that baby!guess wat,you didnt get a deal,you got a normal ball python.

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Oh yeah, mine's a morph. :banana: He's a visual form of the good looking royal. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v440/SPJ01/004.jpg

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unless you pay the price you are getting a NORMAL BALL PYTHON!!!!!!!jeez,i have seen a billion threads latley about is this a morph?wat is he?hes so different than the others,is he some kind of morph?sometimes these snakes are so normal i kinda throw up in my mouth.there are web sites that give plenty of info on morphed ball pythons.its almost a comedy seeing people just waiting to hear yea you got a heck of a deal on that baby!guess wat,you didnt get a deal,you got a normal ball python.

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ihadahardtimeunderastandingyourpost,sorry :P

just a few months ago, the OP was a noob and was posting asking some of the often-repeated noob questions.

How quickly you forgot what it's like!
Arrogance is not very attractive.

Chill out! Help when you can, be understanding when you can't.

All questions are welcome here.

Sorry, though I did not ask the question. I'm sorry that as a newbe here I was under the impression that we were all here to learn and help others learn in the process. Some things people say make me mad too.
I have worked in fast food my whole life, so when a cusomer asks me something that may or may not be obvious should I throw the sanwitch at them?

I mean common Butters, dont you know what the word F.O.R.U.M stands for and means?


Finding Overly Repeating Uneducated Members

Were made for this!

I was injured pretty bad in an auto accident 3 months ago and have been on the shelf ever since. I spend a LOT of time on here. [more than I should]:rolleye2: So keep the threads coming so I will have something to read and reply to every now and then. I do think butter has got the point and made an honest mistake not thinking about what he was really saying. I say forgive and forget. :sunny:

I don't mind the "is my snake a morph" threads. There are times when I look and think.... *hmmmmmm*... or someone notes a marking that is seen in the more subtle morphs.

First response is to say "hot normal"... but I try to look closely and genuinely critique.

I was CONVINCED my first BP was a yellow belly... and then my het orange... I was certain he was a yellow belly too. :)

But it got me looking at snakes, learning about genetics, and sharpened my eye when people would point out the differences, which at the time I had trouble seeing, but now are glaringly obvious.

All part of the learning curve. :)

Bruce

PS: An acquaintance of mine got a Velvet at a pet store. Interesting snake, emailed BHB and Mark Mandic... then asked the pet store to find out it came in as a trade. If she'd never taken the time to ask she would have just figured she had a nice hypermelanistic snake.

All I'm saying
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=69999

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All I'm saying
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thats pretty funny!

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All I'm saying
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=69999

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Nice:)

I personally enjoy look at other peoples animals (normals included). Although, I do prefer the voting tool when someone is asking if their animal is a morph. I often don't have time to make posts on most threads, but I have time to vote. :)

Either way, I agree with most posters on this thread. Let people post their animals and learn. Perhaps, it will get them interested in genetics.

Seeing as most post titles are self explanatory, if you don't like a specific type of thread, don't click.

I have to admit, I wonder about my snake..if he is a normal or not, since he came from a rescue. I don't know enough to know how to tell. He looks like a normal to my newby eye, but his dark color looks black, or at least very very dark to me. I am going to check out those links to the morph sites/pages to try to learn what is normal and what is not.

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pwnt.

one should be careful of what they say...

i freakin knew there was a "is mine a ____" thread by him!!!! thanks for finding it catawhat

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All I'm saying
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=69999

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Haha. That made me smile.

Seriously, though. We're here to HELP people. Telling someone to stop asking questions will keep them from asking questions, and the health of an animal could go down the tube. We're ambassadors of knowledge; don't belittle the newbies here. At least they're ASKING questions.

Precisely. It could be worse... they could be listening to the chain pet store people or the idiot who tortures his animals but thinks he's 'taking good care' of them. :D The fact that people, even long time keepers, ask questions is how this hobby progresses! If no one questioned, then we'd still be using ancient methods and probably loosing animals quite a bit.

Keep them questions rollin!

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All I'm saying
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=69999

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and that's not the only one... he had another one as well! One was "for sure" a yb :rolleyes:

Anyways... I get frustrated when I see someone say "hey did I got a snake from Petco... is it a fire?" Like I'm pretty sure you didn't get an expensive morph from Petco and it slipped through those breeders fingers haha... but I just say "hey it's a normal and it's pretty looking" because I'm mature/intelligent enough to not make a beginner feel like crap!!!

Grow up... and by the way "stop giving people bad advice"... you know what I'm talking about! :mad:

I for one am not 100% perfect in the ID of ball python morphs. I don't think anybody can lay claim to that. Think about what everybody told the first person who thought they had a new morph and showed the picture of a yellow belly before it was a well known morph, or the specter, fire, genetic banded, Genetic Granite... It took me some searching before I could ID some of these and others particularly the specter still eludes me. If I got something that hinted at what people have said a specter looked like I would definately need to get a second opinion on it from someone much more familiar with it. I do remember when I started I had trouble telling some pastels from normals. (Why is this nice bright colored snake a normal, but this dull one a pastel? Didn't realize it was all in the green eyes and the fact that different kinds of pastels exist from Lemon to blond.) I like to look at these new member questions in a slightly different light, when we stop seeing the new member questions come up then we should be concerned over the future of our hobby. Without the new blood coming in our hobby will loose traction and start to contract. Kinda like other things going on right now! :)

lol,a bottle of jager will make ya type some good stuff!

sorry to anyone offended.i say some dumb stuff sometimes and this is just one of them.

haha I just noticed you posted that at 6 in the morning....solid

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All I'm saying
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=69999

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SHHHAAAAAASLAM :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sounds like someone needs their 4:20: (before):taz::rage::mad::rolleye2::banana: (after)

tsk,tsk :colbert:

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haha I just noticed you posted that at 6 in the morning....solid

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yup.i dont remember it at all.just seen i had a thread that was 4 pages long.

and yea im def guilty of asking this question befor too.woops!

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yup.i dont remember it at all.just seen i had a thread that was 4 pages long.

and yea im def guilty of asking this question befor too.woops!

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Got big respect for you stepping up and not just ignoring this thread till it sunk to the bottom of the ocean. Funny stuff though!

Butters is a goof :rolleye2:

Whenever he says something like this, I *always* know that he did not mean it the way it came out.... his fingers are working... just not in unison with his brain!!! :rofl:

I knew that he would check this thread out sooner or later and I can *always* count on him to own up and apologize for being.... well... who he is sometimes! ;)

It's all good Butters. You just maybe need to introduce yourself every few months or so in order for the new people to understand those things that make you the unique person you are. You're a good guy! Peace.

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That is great...

I guess it don't take too long to forget does it butters....

lol,i prolly did remember,just didnt care i guess.
i can just see myself saying (man i bet hundreds of people are gonna thank me for this)durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

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lol,a bottle of jager will make ya type some good stuff!

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sorry to anyone offended.i say some dumb stuff sometimes and this is just one of them.

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We still love you!!!!

I am not always in the right frame of mind...

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sorry to anyone offended.i say some dumb stuff sometimes and this is just one of them.

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good on you buddy. I have seen people make these same comments and it gets blown out of proportion.

Sometimes getting a bit of distance (and some blood in your alcohol system) is a good thing.

No harm, no poulet.

Bruce

Sometimes getting a bit of distance (and some blood in your alcohol system) is a good thing.


lol tell me about it!

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Lol! Priceless.:8:

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Lol, I was just about to post and say you were drunk at the time you posted this, when I saw your reply. Dork :rolleye2: :rolleyes:

There's a feature (or plugin, I forget) for gmail that makes you answer a series of math problems in a certain amount of time before you're allowed to send out an email.

Supposed to prevent drunk emailing I guess. Maybe look into that Butters, could get it implemented into BP.net :D

http://dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/2008...-e-mail-gmail/

It does happen very rarely that a "normal" does turn out to be a morph. The sulfur ball is one example. The original was bought at a pet shop. I also could see earth-tone snake morphs selling from a pet store; for example a yellow belly. It is very rare, but it is a possibility.

Personally, I don't mind when newbie’s ask if their normal is a morph. I don’t mind to check them out and make a determination.

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ihadahardtimeunderastandingyourpost,sorry :P

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To the OP, don't be such a jerk. You were a noob not that long ago. If you're all so knowledgable, then stop coming here, since you obviously know everything, and have no need to ask any questions.

To Noobs reading this, not everyone here is such a idiot. Most are here to help and encourage.

All those "stupid noob" questions are essential to learning. People who ask "Is my snake a morph?" are genuinely excited to discover all the different types of ball python that are out there. I myself got my first ball python without knowing there was anything out there other than albinos and normals. When you start seeing yellowbellies, and pastels, and cinnamons, and all the other more subtle morphs, you CANNOT tell what makes them a morph, while yours is a normal. When a picture is posted of a normal asking if it's a pastel... telling them that the eyes should be green, that the yellow should be brighter, that there should be blushing.. that's all teaching them about pastels. THAT'S what the site should be about, teaching people about ball pythons, how to take care of them, how to pick out a good healthy speciman, and how very cool they ALL are.

If anyone is tired of answering the same question again, easy fix... DON'T answer it. This forum is chock-a-block full of people who LOVE to answer questions. Step back and enjoy the other threads, and later on you might want to answer a question yourself.