Finally!!! The super black pastel pied pics!!!!!!

The pics are finally here...

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**pictures removed for hotlinking to a private photobucket account**

To see the pictures please visit the link given by the owner of the photographs in his post in this thread.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...0&postcount=14

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I think I'm having heart palpitations. World going gray.....

:popcorn::popcorn:


~Kat

OoOoOo I hope we get to see one with a little more pattern! Pretty cool though! Thanks for the pics, I've been waiting forever!

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

OoOoOo I hope we get to see one with a little more pattern! Pretty cool though! Thanks for the pics, I've been waiting forever!

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That seems to be the case with most of these highly anticipated pied combos. It's still so freakin sweet though! Love that pure black and white contrast! That must have been the freakin thrill of a lifetime to see that guy pop out for whomever produced that snake!

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Originally Posted by anendeloflorien

That seems to be the case with most of these highly anticipated pied combos. It's still so freakin sweet though! Love that pure black and white contrast! That must have been the freakin thrill of a lifetime to see that guy pop out for whomever produced that snake!

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stunning, i agree hopefully next time round it will be more black on it. ian at outback reptiles produced it.

What a beautiful snake!! Congrats to Ian! :D

:O Gulp.

Now THAT is crazy-good! :bow:

I hate to be the one to say this, but I'm starting to not like the pied as much. It destroys almost every morph it comes across...

:O :cool: :rolleye2:

Holy Cow!!!!!

Muuuhhhhhhhhh

Omg, Hmm, its not as amazing as I hoped, but it still has massive amounts of potential, its still on my want list.:D

???Panda Pied? Hmm, thats not too bad. lol This whole time we were thinking cow pied and oreo pied.:P

I have been waiting to see someone do this, not to shabby.:gj:

I love it; it is just so off-the-wall and out-there.. especially compared to a normal. WOW.

Awesome!! I was picturing more black, but I think it makes it a bit more dramatic the way it is. What a hottie!! And he is a little powerhouse when it comes to genetics. And looks for that matter! :P

Hey those are my pics i had them posted here:

http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/mis...gotta-see.html

But who cares, nice snake isn't it

I would like to see a lower white one, but that is pretty smokin!

It's strange that the head is white....minus like the lesser pied or something, don't all the other pied crosses have color on their heads? That is one thing that has always struck me about the pied crosses....

Can't see them and don't want to register at that forum just to see them...

Can someone post up some hosted here?

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Originally Posted by blueapplepaste

Can't see them and don't want to register at that forum just to see them...

Can someone post up some hosted here?

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x2!!

I was super excited that I'd finally get to see some pictures of it....and then it came up with the "You are not logged in" message on the other forum... Aww man! Can someone post a screen shot of the pictures or something? Thanks!

Do you have to be a member of the RTB.net forums to see those pics? It's trying to make me log when I click on the images.

Edit: Someone beat me to it! Two people actually. Also, who is the actual owner of the pics?

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x2!!

I was super excited that I'd finally get to see some pictures of it....and then it came up with the "You are not logged in" message on the other forum... Aww man! Can someone post a screen shot of the pictures or something? Thanks!

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x3 :oops:

x4 cant see them

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I hate to be the one to say this, but I'm starting to not like the pied as much. It destroys almost every morph it comes across...

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I wouldn't say, "destroy" but it does totally dominate whatever it's crossed with, similar to the Albino.

x5 I am not joining rtb.net to look at pics....LOL

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Originally Posted by cane

Hey those are my pics i had them posted here:

http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/mis...gotta-see.html

But who cares, nice snake isn't it

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I dont understand why the pics were removed by Dr.Del.... Photobucket is a tool used to post pics on the web. If you wanted them to not be displayed to the public then you could limit their access via photobucket.

Those pictures were not on a "pivate" photobucket account. They werent hotlinked off of a private server. If they were on a private server I wouldnt of linked to them.

I think those pics need to be posted back up.

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Yeah Outback Reptiles had one at the Chantilly, VA NARBC... It was pretty cool... and it was like $30,000... and they named it the "Panda Pied"

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1624713,1624713

Is that it? :confused:

YUP I THINK I FOUND IT!!


Still woulda gone cow-pied myself :)~

Yes, that's it

I heard it looked like something that no one would have expected... pretty much looks like exactly what I figured it would.

Absolutely stunning animal.

Amazing it took this long! :)

Bruce

Sweet! I like how distinct the black is from the white! That's one cool snake!! Congrats to Ian for producing it and thanks for the link to the picture!

to much white!

a 50/50 mix would be perfect.:D

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I dont understand why the pics were removed by Dr.Del.... Photobucket is a tool used to post pics on the web. If you wanted them to not be displayed to the public then you could limit their access via photobucket.

Those pictures were not on a "pivate" photobucket account. They werent hotlinked off of a private server. If they were on a private server I wouldnt of linked to them.

I think those pics need to be posted back up.

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You do not understand and it is very regretable since it was explained to you a few times already via PM.

I will make it clear here

Let’s resume the situation here

You saw this post http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...&postcount=142 decided to go on that forum copied the links and came back here to post the pics here without proper credit which is in violation of our TOS.

We do not allow pictures belonging to someone else to be posted without proper credits

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13. Respect bandwidth, copyrights, and ownership. Do not "hot-link" images from other websites or post copyrighted material without the express, written permission of the owner.

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You posted pictures that

A# Did not belong to you

B# Were hotlinked from a Photobucket account that does not belong to you either, account of a former member that is indeed private (I check myself :gj:)

Finally when it comes to copyright

The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work.

In other words at the moment the picture is taken it becomes copyrighted material.

In no way do you need to place a copyright mark on a picture for this picture to be copyrighted material.

Because a picture is posted online on a website or a photoserver in no way does this mean that you are allowed to use it, or reproduced without express written permission of the owner.

Now for future reference I would highly recommend you to make yourself familiar with our TOS http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/a...t.php?f=89&a=9 to avoid further problem.

Have a good night!

Do we know that his is how they will all look?

Sounds like people are assuming they will all be high white. Considering the variability in pieds and the white distribution... never know, the next one could be black with a patch of white...

Bruce

Thanks Deborah for clearing that up.
I hope the combo will have some that are not so high white too. Maybe the super cinny/pied will be less high white(hey, I can hope!)

ehhhh.... still doesn't beat the origional.... (pied that is)

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You do not understand and it is very regretable since it was explained to you a few times already via PM.

I will make it clear here

Let’s resume the situation here

You saw this post http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...&postcount=142 decided to go on that forum copied the links and came back here to post the pics here without proper credit which is in violation of our TOS.

We do not allow pictures belonging to someone else to be posted without proper credits



You posted pictures that

A# Did not belong to you

B# Were hotlinked from a Photobucket account that does not belong to you either, account of a former member that is indeed private (I check myself :gj:)

Finally when it comes to copyright

The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work.

In other words at the moment the picture is taken it becomes copyrighted material.

In no way do you need to place a copyright mark on a picture for this picture to be copyrighted material.

Because a picture is posted online on a website or a photoserver in no way does this mean that you are allowed to use it, or reproduced without express written permission of the owner.

Now for future reference I would highly recommend you to make yourself familiar with our TOS http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/a...t.php?f=89&a=9 to avoid further problem.

Have a good night!

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First off I saw the post with the pictures on reptile radio. Not here.

Second like I told Dr Del.... Did the person who took the pictures get written consent from the owner of the animal (Ian G.) to take said pictures and post them on the internet?

I highly doubt it. Which makes him in violation of even your rules.

Third, like I pointed out to Dr Del, instead of removing the pictures... We could of given the person holding the PUBLIC server account on photobucket with the pictures the proper credit and still left the pictures up for everyones benefit.

Bp net members would of benefitted in the long run. Instead they were removed and bpnet members lost.

I am done going in circles with this... If you guys want to bite your nose off to spite your face so be it...

I have a feeling most if not all of these will be high white since the head is white.

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Originally Posted by JasonG

First off I saw the post with the pictures on reptile radio. Not here.

Second like I told Dr Del.... Did the person who took the pictures get written consent from the owner of the animal (Ian G.) to take said pictures and post them on the internet?

I highly doubt it. Which makes him in violation of even your rules.

Third, like I pointed out to Dr Del, instead of removing the pictures... We could of given the person holding the PUBLIC server account on photobucket with the pictures the proper credit and still left the pictures up for everyones benefit.

Bp net members would of benefitted in the long run. Instead they were removed and bpnet members lost.

I am done going in circles with this... If you guys want to bite your nose off to spite your face so be it...

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The question is not what someone else has done somewhere else but what YOU have done HERE, and what YOU have done HERE by posting pictures without proper credits.

It violates our TERMS and it is that simple. Those are the terms that you agreed on when you first joined and it is YOUR responsibility to abide by them just like any other members of this forum including myself.

Jason,

If you had even bothered to open the link Deb provided you would have seen this;

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Pictures are up on reptileradio.net

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The rest of your post makes no sense for reasons I will explain for the last time.

The person on photobucket did not own the rights to the pictures - as you have been told time and time again.

Bp.net members lost precisely nothing.

The pics are available for those who are willing to join the site the owner of the photographs chose to post them on - and have been since before the ones in your post were removed.

Now drop it.


dr del

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The question is not what someone else has done somewhere else but what YOU have done HERE, and what YOU have done HERE by posting pictures without proper credits.

It violates our TERMS and it is that simple. Those are the terms that you agreed on when you first joined and it is YOUR responsibility to abide by them just like any other members of this forum including myself.

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I never denied that I violated the terms. I never ment too. What I ment to do was share with bpnet the cool pics.

Dr. Del jumped the gun and removed the pics imho. We could of ammended the post and gave credit and bpnet members could of saw the pics.

But they didnt. That is MY POINT.

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Did the person who took the pictures get written consent from the owner of the animal (Ian G.) to take said pictures and post them on the internet?

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If I paint a painting I own the copyright to that image... someone takes a photo of it.. they own the copyright to that image not me... I paint a painting of that photo... then I own the copyright...

Snake... painting... photo... it is all the same.

Just an FYI.

B

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Originally Posted by dacalio

I have a feeling most if not all of these will be high white since the head is white.

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Ah... good point.

I can live with that (like I will have one anytime soon).

I think now someone needs to get onto the super black pastel orange hypo pied. :)

Bruce

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Dr. Del jumped the gun and removed the pics imho.

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No he did not, I would have done the same thing if I had came across your post before he did.

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I never denied that I violated the terms.

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But you are arguing because the staff removed your pictures that violates our terms :rolleye2:

Since this is not a first for you when it come to TOS violation I would highly recommend you yet again to get familar with our TOS

hhmm.. too much white for my taste but nice powerhouse snake nonetheless. Lets hope that variability will play more a factor as more of these are made. Perhaps this will act in an opposite way from the other pied combos, where the head has no color while the body will have various amounts of black and white. at least I can dream for that :D

I think that if IanG had the snake on display in a public venue, then he can't say you cannot take pictures of it. Once you take the picture, it's YOUR picture, to show or not show. Just because it's on photobucket doesn't mean it's public domain.
Now, I'm not certain on the 1st point, since a reptile show is OPEN to the public, but is a PRIVATE venue.
At any rate, the TOS are clear, you know you violated them, and putting credit on the picture(after the fact) is not enough when you hotlinked to the photobucket, when the photobucket wasn't the rightful owner of the picture. I think you just wanted to share a cool picture, but did it the wrong way.
It seems to me that most of the pied combos end up being way too high white to really maximize the potential coolness. Of course we won't know until several of the combos are produced to compare to each other. $30K for that snake seems low in price compared to what I'd have thought it would be priced at. Maybe that's the economy.
Anyone have a guess at how many super cinnamons or super black pastels there are out there?

I dont think that snake is what you think it is. I would like to know what the breeding was to get that snake.

For the record...the admins of this site 100% back up the actions of Derek (dr del) and the discussions of Deborah in this thread. Our "hotlinking" rule does not typically apply to sites like photobucket because their entire purpose is to allow folks to host and post images freely. HOWever....this fact does NOT negate ownership of images and it is still against our rules to post someone else's pictures. And while we can't always know when someone is doing this...when we DO know, our staff will take appropriate actions.

JasonG has been asked to cease arguing this point in this thread, so I would also ask the rest of you to let it drop as well, because he should not respond.

After a good nights sleep and looking back on the argument I would like to apologize to everyone.

While we may all disagree on this one, it is your site to moderate and I will respect your rules.

I was just trying to share a cool photo of one cool looking snake.

Have a nice day all.

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I dont think that snake is what you think it is. I would like to know what the breeding was to get that snake.

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Why do you doubt it is what it is supposed to be?

I know the first few that saw it claimed it did not look like what we thought it would... so surprised me that it looked *almost* exactly what I thought it would look like (minus the white head and hight white).

Any suspicions on what it is (if not a SBPP... paradox Black Eyed Lucy?).

Bruce

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Originally Posted by Nightmare Creatures

I dont think that snake is what you think it is. I would like to know what the breeding was to get that snake.

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Ian G line black pastel het pied x Ian G line black pastel het pied... and one hell of a snake too.

They should call it the cow ball (sota like cowbell! ;))!