can you tell me?

I get these two little babies in a nice trade but I was told they are pastels I have no idea and would love healp are they normal or what the one is a totall BIt** and bites me ever chance it gets what a brat I never new a ball to be so mean lol
thanks for any help
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...l143/002-5.jpg

THomas the mean one
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...l143/006-8.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...l143/004-5.jpg

Emily
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...l143/008-8.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...l143/007-9.jpg

No pastels there...Both are normals


Shawn

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Originally Posted by ShawnT

No pastels there...Both are normals

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Word, sorry bro!

You can tell yourself: pastels have green eyes and a clear belly.

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Originally Posted by sjsexotics

the one is a totall BIt** and bites me ever chance it gets what a brat I never new a ball to be so mean lol
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...l143/004-5.jpg

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Probably because he's starving! Feed Him!!!

Wow... yeah.

You got shafted...

Those animals are skinny and malnurished, and they are not pastels.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Wow... yeah.

You got shafted...

Those animals are skinny and malnurished, and they are not pastels.

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Ditto all the way....

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

Wow... yeah.

You got shafted...

Those animals are skinny and malnurished, and they are not pastels.

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No kidding! He's hungry get some food into that boy.

You have down as your occupation: breeder. Certainly not of ball pythons I should hope!!
I guess it's a good trade for the snakes because you are on the forum and getting some feedback.
Your snakes are very underweight as evidenced by the triangular body shape. They ought to be rather round.
Please share what you are feeding them and how much they weigh. Maybe you could also let us know if you have any questions regarding QT procedures and husbandry.
We are here to help you :gj:

Well, whoever gave them to you obviously wasn't feeding them and knows nothing about pastels (or BPs in general, as it would seem). But i like their orangey color! Post some pics for us after a good meal :)

All the pastels I have seen have green eyes with the exception of an Albino Pastel. Granted I have seen some pastels that are not as bright as those, and still have the green eyes. If you are planning on doing any breeding those could be an interesting dink project to see if they are genentic. They look great!

sweet looking snakes i have to say.

I saw those snakes advertised on king snake yesterday. They were advertised as 2 normal females for $100.00 each.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=600260

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I saw those snakes advertised on king snake yesterday. They were advertised as 2 normal females for $100.00 each.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=600260

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Funny! The op is the one selling them on ks!!!:rofl:

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Originally Posted by coldbloodaddict

Probably because he's starving! Feed Him!!!

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Not to mention - probably terrified and protecting itself the only way it can.

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Originally Posted by 1Mojo

I saw those snakes advertised on king snake yesterday. They were advertised as 2 normal females for $100.00 each.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=600260

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as said two normal ball pythons with nice blushing both sexed females and eating well on frozen or live fuzzies
100.00 each

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Eating well? They look emaciated! How much did you spend on them to try and sell them for $100 each?? :confused:

Those babies need to be taken care of and fed a few meals before you try and sell them!

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Eating well? They look emaciated! How much did you spend on them to try and sell them for $100 each?? :confused:

Those babies need to be taken care of and fed a few meals before you try and sell them!

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That was my point. Why sell anything unless it is 100% healthy. I would hate to have that package arrive at my door.

Heres another ad that I got a kick out of -
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=600226

Pied for $500?

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Heres another ad that I got a kick out of -
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=600226

Pied for $500?

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Pair of Het Pieds for 500$

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Pied for $500?

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I'll take 5 for that price.:gj:

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Pair of Het Pieds for 500$

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I want a nice 100% het pair or one pied not willing to spend more than 500.00

notice the op hasnt posted again i think we uncovered a future scammer

wow, this thread is crazy

they used this forum to find out the morph and get rid of them

You know....I think you are all BASHING!

He got them as a trade and was told they are pastels. They are not pastels so he is gonna sell em. regardless if they ate yadda yadda yadda. Do we really need to bash him like this.

We dont know anything about him. and all of a sudden hes trying to scam us all!!!!!

I see this more and more here, people just jumping the gun and BASHING people for no deserved reason!

at that price i'll take 10...hey Pat, can I borrow 5K?;)

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You know....I think you are all BASHING!

He got them as a trade and was told they are pastels. They are not pastels so he is gonna sell em. regardless if they ate yadda yadda yadda. Do we really need to bash him like this.

We dont know anything about him. and all of a sudden hes trying to scam us all!!!!!

I see this more and more here, people just jumping the gun and BASHING people for no deserved reason!

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Pat, He/she posted them as normals on ks the day before posting here asking if they are pastels. Apperently he/she has no clue what they are. So, I'll bash him/her for that. How do you put an ad up for something and not know what you even have? Next thing it will be "hets "or "New morph!" I really dont like people like this... Sorry sjewhatever.. No hard feelings...

I don't like bashing the new guys either...but there does seem to be something fishy about the timing I guess......anyways....Pat, how bout that 5K? LOL

thomas is one skinny ball. feed Him

just a thought... it might not be his fault that they are as skinny as they are. if he just got them, then it's probably the previous owners fault that they are malnourished, not the current.

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just a thought... it might not be his fault that they are as skinny as they are. if he just got them, then it's probably the previous owners fault that they are malnourished, not the current.

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True but he posted them as healthy and feeding well.
They are thin and not in any condition to be sold yet IMO.
If they really are eating as well as the poster says, then they may be thin due to parasites.
I would not chance a purchase with them especially when they claim to be a breeder and don't know thin snakes or what a pastel looks like.
Not to mention they are named Thomas and Emily which would indicate to me at least that they are a male and female but the add says 2 females.

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True but he posted them as healthy and feeding well.

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Oh, well I didn't see that he posted them as that! hmm.. haha

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Oh, well I didn't see that he posted them as that! hmm.. haha

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So, you started that other post for another reason? HMM. HAHA..

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just a thought... it might not be his fault that they are as skinny as they are. if he just got them, then it's probably the previous owners fault that they are malnourished, not the current.

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On top of him saying that they are eating and everything for him. And even if it is the previous owners fault for that you dont sell a sick animal even if you say its sick

well its time for the heel of ball-pythons.net to chime in, this is bad not only are they not pastels but very under weight, im tired of these jerks that are screwing up the market of the animal we all love, when this happens i wish we could all come together on a special post adviseing people to stay away from thses people, untill somthing is done these losers are going to ruin the hobby and the value of these great snakes, :mad:

and how can you claim yourself as a reptile breeder your almost at as much fault as the person who sold you them

hey you guys are all talking about those snakes being skinny and underweight cuz of their body shape, and all of my snakes look like that! i just got them a little less than a month ago, they were babies and when weighed none were over 65 grams. i have fed them once and only four of them ate. i read that if they reject their food, just wait and try it next week but now im getting nervous and thinking about trying again tonight! should i try to double feed by waiting until they've swallowed almost all of their first one and then all sneaky like put another one in their mouths?

your probably alright the point is nobody should sell there animals until there eating and healthy, its not the cunsomer that should have to make sure there animal is healthy when they buy it its the breeders responibilty as a so called breeder to make sure there ready, and also to tell people what they really are, as far as im conserend the person who sold those animals as healthy pastels is a scum bag, if there yours that hatched out dont worry just keep feeding them but dont try to sell them that way, if anyone sells me a snake like that trust me there going to get hell from me:gj:

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hey you guys are all talking about those snakes being skinny and underweight cuz of their body shape, and all of my snakes look like that! i just got them a little less than a month ago, they were babies and when weighed none were over 65 grams.

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This snake was 65 grams right out of the egg.
There is no way a 65 gram snake looks as thin as the ones posted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...la5-9-2008.jpg

There is no way a 65 gram snake looks as thin as the ones posted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...la5-9-2008.jpg[/QUOTE]

yes good point, giving us further evidence this person is full of it

in no way shape or form am I defending the OP but those pics of fresh hatchlings are a little misleading because they are always really fat right outta the egg because of all that yummy yolk in their belly. Please by all means correct if I am wrong on that. (And yes if you are wondering I do agree that those are underweight animals just wanted to throw that other info out there. ) :)

what are you talking about that dosent make any sense

Hi,

It made sense to me?

When they first hatch they have the yolk they just absorbed so look well fed but once they use that up then if they are not eating then they start to look like the first snake pictured.

It's a bit counter productive to focus only one one figure or stat in isolation was the point I took away from his post.

Taken to absurd lengths a 600g ball python could be a great healthy youngster or a skeletal male on the point of death.

But however you slice it I don't think this animal is ready for sale by the indicators we would be looking for if we were the prospective buyers.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...l143/006-8.jpg

And if this is what it looks like as a great feeder then god help it if it decides to go on a diet. :(

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d5...l143/004-5.jpg

But it might be a better focus for the thread to help the OP get the snakes started on the right track and eating well and regularly so that when they are sold it is a good experience for everyone involved.


dr del

I take offense to the OP posting them on a site, immediately after getting them, and claiming they are healthy.

He just got them, they were mislabeled (and he did not even know this), and they have not been through QT.

Easy enough. He is dumping them... and using a pat phrase "healthy and eating" to ensure they sell.

Bruce

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This snake was 65 grams right out of the egg.
There is no way a 65 gram snake looks as thin as the ones posted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...la5-9-2008.jpg

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as far as the topic at hand, there is nothing i can say that hasn't been said. i hate that "breeders" like this are going to ruin the hobby for every one else. but i just had to say wow to this guy, kudos:gj:. i just love the markings.

Same snake post she AND after all the "yolk" has been absorbed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...rfirstshed.jpg

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When they first hatch they have the yolk they just absorbed so look well fed but once they use that up then if they are not eating then they start to look like the first snake pictured.

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And that right there shows the OP is just trying to pass these off to someone who doesn't know any better.
Saying they are healthy and great eaters in the ad when they look like that is a flat out LIE.
Either they aren't eating or they are full of parasites and aren't gaining weight.
Either way, they are in no condition to be sold.

so we all have come to a agreement that this seller is a real peice

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so we all have come to a agreement that this seller is a real peice

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Sold!

alright good, now we just need to warn people of these creeps and make sure they dont continue to ruin our hobby

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Originally Posted by starmom

You have down as your occupation: breeder. Certainly not of ball pythons I should hope!!
I guess it's a good trade for the snakes because you are on the forum and getting some feedback.
Your snakes are very underweight as evidenced by the triangular body shape. They ought to be rather round.
Please share what you are feeding them and how much they weigh. Maybe you could also let us know if you have any questions regarding QT procedures and husbandry.
We are here to help you :gj:

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wow no I am not a breeder of balls as of yet but I will be starting since I am now gaining the facts I need I only had these snakes that day when I took the pic so yes I do fed them really I knew they needed extra care when I got them and I have been feeding twice a week and the mean one eats at every feeding but the other one has not eatin in a week as I am trying to feed frozen and they were getting live but I will have to go back to live if he does not eat by tomorrow I also was told they were male and female and my hubby probed them and they are both females oh well you live and learn