Is it just me or have the prices of het albinos really plummeted?

I have been seeing pairs going for $300-$400 on KS. That seems to me like a huge drop in price from1-2 years ago. I am a bit concerened since my albino project won't be "live" for at least 2 more years.

imo, albinos have been holding their value pretty good!


they have been around since the mid 90's...



vaughn

I haven't seen the $300 pairs. All the ones I see are $450-550/pair.

You can thank Ian G. and his sellers for that one....:)

A lot of those pairs are actually females with a free male thrown in... apparently it's pretty hard to sell a het male. I haven't seen them that low, but I guess you also have to question if they really are hets.

rocky , why blame ian?

albinos are one of the oldest morphs, they have held prices for along time, and still do. just because you see an ad for a certain price doesn't mean that is the only price.


vaughn

I guess albinos still held there value, but the hets have dropped considerably. Gosh, I remember going to my first reptile show in the late 90's and seeing albinos go for $5000,pieds for $10000 and pastels for......$2000! :O

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Originally Posted by rocky

You can thank Ian G. and his sellers for that one....:)

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What does Ian Have to do with it? And who are his "sellers"? Or do you mean the Lowlife flippers that buy from Ian to resell??

I haven't seen them that low - I bought my het pair 2 years ago for $550 , and the price still seems to be holding well!

Compare them to all the co-doms and they've held up nicely. I love albinos they are one of the best bp morphs out there.

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Originally Posted by DJ_86

What does Ian Have to do with it? And who are his "sellers"? Or do you mean the Lowlife flippers that buy from Ian to resell??

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;)

i dont think it is the prices of hets that is the problem. i think it is the fact that the actual albinos are droping. and as you can proabbly guess that is driving the price of hets down fast.

I got a great deal an a female het albino from Ian at the Tinley Park NARBC in October. The deal was almost "too good to be true", but people assured me Ian was a stand up guy with good prices, and that I had nothing to worry about.

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Originally Posted by PythonWallace

I got a great deal an a female het albino from Ian at the Tinley Park NARBC in October. The deal was almost "too good to be true", but people assured me Ian was a stand up guy with good prices, and that I had nothing to worry about.

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Proves my point ;)

It seems logical to me.. back in the day, albinos and other morphs were much rarer than they are now.. so it is only logical that as more people own and breed a certain morph, and more people are selling the morph, its price will go down.

It's a free market.

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Originally Posted by rocky

Proves my point ;)

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Much as Ian might be flattered by your suggestion that he controls the market (which couldn't be farther from the truth), the fact of the matter is that as much as increasing the supply drives prices down, bantering on and on about the sky falling on message boards on the internet doesn't do much to increase the comfort level of prospective buyers as well. For every buyer than reads a post about falling prices and thinks, "well, maybe I shouldn't get into this project" the demand decreases, further lowering the price.

Guys, more people are producing albinos...its supply and demand. Not Ian, not anyone else.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

It's a free market.

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bingo. i cant wait for some of the relly high end stuff to drop to an affordiable price for every one

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

bingo. i cant wait for some of the relly high end stuff to drop to an affordiable price for every one

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I hope prices stay as high as possible for as long as possible.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I hope prices stay as high as possible for as long as possible.

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As do I! :D

Here Here!

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

Much as Ian might be flattered by your suggestion that he controls the market (which couldn't be farther from the truth), the fact of the matter is that as much as increasing the supply drives prices down, bantering on and on about the sky falling on message boards on the internet doesn't do much to increase the comfort level of prospective buyers as well. For every buyer than reads a post about falling prices and thinks, "well, maybe I shouldn't get into this project" the demand decreases, further lowering the price.

Guys, more people are producing albinos...its supply and demand. Not Ian, not anyone else.

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I never said he controls the market...But he (and his sellers) did drop the price on het albinos before others....which then, others followed....Much like MKR and the price of mojaves.....

yessss....i hope they stay high as well. It's high goals for me :D I love high goals :gj:

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Originally Posted by rocky

I never said he controls the market...But he (and his sellers) did drop the price on het albinos before others....which then, others followed....Much like MKR and the price of mojaves.....

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Well, then its the sellers that blindly followed suit that are responsible for the drop.

MKR allegedly sold Mojave's for $500...can you get a mojave today for $500? Maybe you could re-consider your example quoted above...

Its a sad thing that the majority of the market competes on price alone, with no emphasis on service or value to make the higher prices worthwhile.

Remember, if the demand expands proportionately to the price increase, prices stabilize and don't drop. Its the lack of marketing by the sellers in the market as a whole to stimulate new demand that is responsible for the decreasing price, not an individual seller, even MKR...

Market threads are such a bummer.

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

bingo. i cant wait for some of the relly high end stuff to drop to an affordiable price for every one

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I'm a little suprised by that, especially since you're a big breeder now.

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Originally Posted by elevatethis

MKR allegedly sold Mojave's for $500...can you get a mojave today for $500? Maybe you could re-consider your example quoted above...

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Actually you can...males........Mojaves selling for $800 publicly go for $500 behind closed doors....Hell, at daytona somebody was selling 10 pins at 1k a head....

I dont like market threads and its ashame at what the prices are.....I for one will be somebody who supports the market and not someone trying to crash it....I am just giving facts.......

I payed $950 for my MALE pastel a yr and a half ago....Do you think i'm gonna be selling any female pastels less than that? Hell no...its not worth it....I put my time, energy, and money into this animal and theres no way I want to be selling female pastels for $600, $700.....Unfortunately I can't hang onto every snake I produce so I will have to sell them.....

I never, thought I would have a lesser in my collection like I do now....They were $25k last yr....My goal was to make enough money and buy one.....That goal wasn't hard to acheive after seeing them drop down to $2500.....Like I said, i'm stoked having him in my collection....but the prices on some of these snakes sicken me.....

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

yessss....i hope they stay high as well. It's high goals for me :D I love high goals :gj:

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As do I!

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

bingo. i cant wait for some of the relly high end stuff to drop to an affordiable price for every one

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Matt, you aspire to be a Ball Pythons breeder and you want the prices to come down? :confuzd:

To me, I would definately prefer the prices to stay higher, from a breeding standpoint; but it really doesn not matter that much to me. If these snakes suddenly became a dollar a dozen, I would still love mine and keep them and treat them like gold.

"950 for my MALE pastel a yr and a half ago....Do you think i'm gonna be selling any female pastels less than that? Hell no...its not worth it....I put my time, energy, and money into this animal and theres no way I want to be selling female pastels for $600, $700..."

But if you breed your 950 dollar pastel to three females, average six eggs a clutch, average 3 pastels each of those clutch, and for arguments sake, 2.1 ratio of pastels per clutch that would be a total of 3 female pastels for that one male. Even if you sell them at $600 you just made almost $800 profit on the females ALONE. How is that so bad? At the least you just paid off the overhead costs to support your hobby/ business.

(That's the reason why co-dom prices fall so fast, because with one male and a couple normal females its very easy to make back your investment and then some...)

I never claimed to be a big breeder and have no intention of becoming a big breeder by your standards. I simply want to produce high quality Ball pythons for all to enjoy not just those with big bucks. i have a great job working for the goverment. i own my own new house, car, motor cycle, and pay all my bills. i dont need bp's for money. if i dont make one cent so be it. life goes on.

I agree, threads like these about money and snakes are a bummer, they bring out the worst in some people

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I never claimed to be a big breeder and have no intention of becoming a big breeder

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Never said you were or were planning on it, I said you aspire to be a Ball Pythons Breeder.

I also have a house, job, pay my bills and do not intend to be a big breeder, I want to breed because I am passionate about Ball Pythons, but I don't see why price need to drop so BP are affordable for everyone, someone want a specific BP here are the solutions

A/ Save up the money.
B/ Ask the breeder for a payment plan.

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I agree, threads like these about money and snakes are a bummer, they bring out the worst in some people

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Thread talking about money and snakes are bummer, and this one is not http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=43993

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Mojaves???? worth the $$$. your thoughts???

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Talks about money and snakes :confuzd:

"I also have a house, job, pay my bills and do not intend to be a big breeder, I want to breed because I am passionate about Ball Pythons, but I don't see why price need to drop so BP are affordable for everyone, someone want a specific BP here are the solutions

A/ Save up the money.
B/ Ask the breeder for a payment plan."



WHY do Ball Pythons have to stay at a price where they are NOT affordable for everyone?

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Originally Posted by MATT FISHER REPTILES

I never claimed to be a big breeder and have no intention of becoming a big breeder by your standards. I simply want to produce high quality Ball pythons for all to enjoy not just those with big bucks. i have a great job working for the goverment. i own my own new house, car, motor cycle, and pay all my bills. i dont need bp's for money. if i dont make one cent so be it. life goes on.

I agree, threads like these about money and snakes are a bummer, they bring out the worst in some people

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Must be nice. :salute:

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Originally Posted by truch

WHY do Ball Pythons have to stay at a price where they are NOT affordable for everyone?

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Why not? Lots of things in life cost money and require planning and saving to afford.

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Originally Posted by truch

WHY do Ball Pythons have to stay at a price where they are NOT affordable for everyone?

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Makes for wonderful goals. If you can set challenging goals and exercise the discipline to achieve them, then you will become successful among many.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

Makes for wonderful goals. If you can set challenging goals and exercise the discipline to achieve them, then you will become successful among many.

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So say Confucius! :D

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Why not? Lots of things in life cost money and require planning and saving to afford.

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I WILL agree with that. To agree or not to agree, that is the question.

i want an enzo ferrari bad! i'll probably never own one. i also don't think ferrari should lower the price to fit mybudget! there are all kinds of luxuries in life, some expensive, some not...


vaughn

I sure want to be a Big Breeder!! Why not? I love My snakes, Give them the best that I can! They should do there share and make me some Dough!!

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Originally Posted by jim020cricket

I WILL agree with that. To agree or not to agree, that is the question.

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I like when you agree with me. It makes me feel all special inside! :D

Rock on man!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I like when you agree with me. It makes me feel all special inside! :D

Rock on man!

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Once in awhile you have a good idea... :D

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I like when you agree with me. It makes me feel all special inside! :D

Rock on man!

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How about if I agree with you, you feel special too :P

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Originally Posted by jim020cricket

Once in awhile you have a good idea... :D

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Its more rare than you know. Ask my fiance...

Where is the mystique in something when it is cheap and available to anyone? Take normals.. you can buy them for 40 bucks at most any pet store out there.. imagine if Pieds or Leucys were in fact available to anyone with 40 bucks.. everyone would have one, and you would be singing to the choir by showing yours to others.. woo hoo.

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Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons

How about if I agree with you, you feel special too :P

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Absolutely! Its good for my ego...

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Originally Posted by truch

But if you breed your 950 dollar pastel to three females, average six eggs a clutch, average 3 pastels each of those clutch, and for arguments sake, 2.1 ratio of pastels per clutch that would be a total of 3 female pastels for that one male. Even if you sell them at $600 you just made almost $800 profit on the females ALONE. How is that so bad? At the least you just paid off the overhead costs to support your hobby/ business.

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exactly what is wrong with that. as long as you break even i say :rockon:

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

Makes for wonderful goals. If you can set challenging goals and exercise the discipline to achieve them, then you will become successful among many.

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Huh? So hypothetically if you had a choice between two Albinos, both "High-Contrast" and coming from "Big Breeders", one was $1000 and the other $2000 you would pay that extra $1000 just to achieve your wonderful goal?

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Originally Posted by truch

Huh? So hypothetically if you had a choice between two Albinos, both "High-Contrast" and coming from "Big Breeders", one was $1000 and the other $2000 you would pay that extra $1000 just to achieve your wonderful goal?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by jim020cricket

Must be nice. :salute:

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:salute: :8: hahah