100% Het Albino Female PLEASE!!

I was wondering if anyone could help me find one somewhere online or something for very cheap. I know what your saying, "Who doesn't want one." but i would really like one for my 100% Het Albino Male I got recently so if anyone could help me out that would be great. The lowest i've found is $400 which is really good but any help is appreciated. Thanks!

are you looking for a baby? juvy? adult? when do you intend on introducing them?

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

are you looking for a baby? juvy? adult? when do you intend on introducing them?

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baby or juvy but i wont be introducing them until next year october

I can't stress how important it is to research your breeder. There are some unscrupulous people that will sell a normal snake as a het, so buying from someone you trust is very important. You usually get what you pay for. ;)

Here's a list you can start with. http://www.ball-pythons.net/modules....category&cid=1

if you're dead set on next year, then you'll need a good sized juvy. expect to pay more than $400. Don't look for the best deal. Look for the best quality.

http://www.kingsnake.com/ballpython777/

This would be the place where the price is only $400 so maybe i could at least get some reviews on whether this is known or not. i've already talked with the guy that runs this (through email) and i dont think that they would fire and air cannon at me with a normal.

Careful with those cheap hets

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Originally Posted by Rapture

Careful with those cheap hets

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I had a similar thought...people want every morph they see and they want it cheap. It's not going to happen


Cost should not be at the top of the list when looking for new animals.

I've never heard anything bad about Mark and doubt he would sell a het that wasn't in fact a het.


Low price isn't always a bad. I just sold baby a 100% het albino female to a BP.net member for $425 shipped. The going price for female hets right now is between $350 and $450. They aren't getting the higher prices as they were last year.

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Originally Posted by TekWarren

Cost should not be at the top of the list when looking for new animals.

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Amen to that! Buy animals from someone you trust, especially hets! You don't want to be three years behind on a project just because you wanted to save $100.

-Evan

yup, pay the extra cash and get a good snake from a good breeder. You don't want to buy a snake that could be a normal. That would be a lot of money waisted, as well as a lot of time. Just save up some more. BPs aren't going anywhere :)

Why does everyone think that $400 for a het albino female is so cheap?


That's market price for one.

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Why does everyone think that $400 for a het albino female is so cheap?


That's market price for one.

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for a juvy?

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Why does everyone think that $400 for a het albino female is so cheap?


That's market price for one.

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ok then hot shot, where have you found one with some significant difference below $400

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Originally Posted by Chase13

ok then hot shot, where have you found one with some significant difference below $400

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woa take it easy man i think he's taking your side here...

Forget it. Not worth getting involved in this thread.

i honestly dont know any prices of Albinos, but i am saying to go with a good breeder, thats all.

well just for clarification, so this thread doesn't turn into an un-necessary war...

for a baby het albino female....meaning an 06, sure $400 sounds like a reasonable price.

For 05' and older...i'd be on guard. I wasn't challenging you SPJ, just looking for clarification. Is $400 reasonable for an 05 or older?

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

well just for clarification, so this thread doesn't turn into an un-necessary war...

for a baby het albino female....meaning an 06, sure $400 sounds like a reasonable price.

For 05' and older...i'd be on guard. I wasn't challenging you SPJ, just looking for clarification. Is $400 reasonable for an 05 or older?

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No. The $400 I was quoting was for a 2006 hatchling female.
If it is an 05 or older animal now you get into more money up to and over $1000 depending upon size. etc. The larger and older they are, the more you will pay for one.
I thought this thread was about an 06 hatchling?

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Originally Posted by SPJ

I thought this thread was about an 06 hatchling?

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He made reference to wanting to breed next season. an 06 female will not be ready next season. That's why i brought up the idea of a juvy

my credit card bill says $400 is reasonable if someone was extremely giving, but in reality, be ready to pay much more. Chase13, check PM


SPJ, he said he wanted one cheap so he could breed next year but it got kind of side tracked when he said he wanted one like that for $400 and people were saying that is the price for a hatchling

I missed that part.


I thought it was for a baby.

$400 for one ready to breed in a year? No way. That would be a LOT more. Gotta agree with you on that.

Here you go try here:


www.serpentsfire.com

Very pleasant to work with. We got male #12 and female #5. You would have to contact her for a price. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by tropheusfreak

Here you go try here:


www.serpentsfire.com

Very pleasant to work with. We got male #12 and female #5. You would have to contact her for a price. Good luck.

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their web site is filled with

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The requested URL http:// was not found on this server.

good luck finding anything. i hate incomplete/non-working web pages.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

their web site is filled with

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The requested URL http:// was not found on this server.

good luck finding anything. i hate incomplete/non-working web pages.

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you have to go from the main page. once you click a link to another part, you cant get to anywhere else

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Originally Posted by tmlowe5704

you have to go from the main page. once you click a link to another part, you cant get to anywhere else

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what? is serpentsfire.com not the main page? i still can't get anywhere...a few pages work, but a majority are non working.

works for me. No problems here. Click on available and then click on pythons. Once you finish looking at the hets on the first page hit next and look at the second page. There are two different groups there so they are unrelated. I think everything up to 7 or so was one group and then the rest were another group. You would have to ask.

Try this one and see if it works for you. I'm not having any problems.



http://www.serpentsfire.com/availableballpythons1.html

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Originally Posted by tropheusfreak

You would have to ask.

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i lost interest as soon as i saw "Not Found" for the third time. :confuzd:

This page was pretty interesting too. Looks like she stands behind them 100%. The fathers are both albino and the females were normals. She sent pics of the fathers to me too and they look pretty nice.



http://www.serpentsfire.com/termsandconditions.html

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Low price isn't always a bad. I just sold baby a 100% het albino female to a BP.net member for $425 shipped.

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:sunny:

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Originally Posted by tropheusfreak

This page was pretty interesting too. Looks like she stands behind them 100%.

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Just to point out, Chris Johnson of TSE had the same guarantee when he was selling "hets"..... I don't know anything about this breeder, she may be perfectly legitimate, but a guarantee on a webpage doesn't really amount to much these days. Your reputation as an honest breeder does.

You definitely have to trust your breeder, and their reputation. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase from several of our newer breeders (those in their 1st, 2nd or 3rd year of breeding), because I know them, I've seen their collection (from pictures they've shared with the forum), and I've seen their participation and level of advice here.

I personally cringe any time I see the word "cheap" mentioned about anything having to do with ball pythons. Nothing about keeping ball pythons should be cheap, nor fast. That gives off the impression that you want a "cheap" way to make a fast buck (this is a generalized "you", not a specific "you"), and I'm not likely to consider what you produce when I'm adding to my collection, because who knows what else you've done "cheap" in your care of your collection.

Couldn't have said it better Robin. :gj: +1

I don't recall every saying her pythons were cheap.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Just to point out, Chris Johnson of TSE had the same guarantee when he was selling "hets"..... I don't know anything about this breeder, she may be perfectly legitimate, but a guarantee on a webpage doesn't really amount to much these days. Your reputation as an honest breeder does.

You definitely have to trust your breeder, and their reputation. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase from several of our newer breeders (those in their 1st, 2nd or 3rd year of breeding), because I know them, I've seen their collection (from pictures they've shared with the forum), and I've seen their participation and level of advice here.

I personally cringe any time I see the word "cheap" mentioned about anything having to do with ball pythons. Nothing about keeping ball pythons should be cheap, nor fast. That gives off the impression that you want a "cheap" way to make a fast buck (this is a generalized "you", not a specific "you"), and I'm not likely to consider what you produce when I'm adding to my collection, because who knows what else you've done "cheap" in your care of your collection.

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Rock on! Must spread the rep around, but you deserve it for this one!

Lets try to eliminate the word cheap altogether when it comes to living creatures. It just comes off poorly no matter one tries to justify its use.

Thanks for all of the talk and the advice. I completely agree that people shouldnt look for the cheapest deal but i was just wondering if anyone knew a breeder with a good rep AND sold at a low price. If I find a breeder selling 06 hatchlings at $600 and they have an awesome rep, but i also find a breeder selling 06's at $400 AND people give him/her a good reputation, im not going to go with the first breeder just because he probably has better quality. Hets are hets and i was only asking if people knew a trustworthy breeder who doesnt over price their bp's. Thanks for all the advice again.

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Originally Posted by tropheusfreak

I don't recall every saying her pythons were cheap.

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I never said that you did. I was simply referring to her guarantee, and pointing out that TSE had the same guarantee. In NO way, am I inferring that hers are not hets, just that you have to have 100% trust in your breeder.

The "cheap" commentary was about other posts in the same thread.

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Originally Posted by Chase13

If I find a breeder selling 06 hatchlings at $600 and they have an awesome rep, but i also find a breeder selling 06's at $400 AND people give him/her a good reputation, im not going to go with the first breeder just because he probably has better quality.

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That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. You're not going to choose better quality over lower price? Maybe it's just me, I want the BEST quality animals that I can get, and I'm willing to pay a little more for it. After all, in the end, your own reputation is riding on the quality of YOUR animals. :)

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Originally Posted by SPJ

Why does everyone think that $400 for a het albino female is so cheap?


That's market price for one.

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Everyone has a different "market price" ... if you catch a "breeder" (and I use that term loosely) that has a tax bill looming, you'll find that their "market price" is even lower. :rofl:

I think that $400 is incredibly cheap for a female 100% het albino, for one reason ... YOU NEED THEM TO MAKE ALBINOS!!! ... I sold 100% het albino females this year for a lot more than that and every single one sold before they were even hatched .... If people don't like my prices, cool, don't buy them ... LOL ... I would rather keep them all and make albinos than sell them on the cheap ... but hey, that's just me ... I'm nuts about ball python mutations!!!! :rolleye2:

My :2cent:

-adam

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Originally Posted by rabernet

That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. You're not going to choose better quality over lower price? Maybe it's just me, I want the BEST quality animals that I can get, and I'm willing to pay a little more for it. After all, in the end, your own reputation is riding on the quality of YOUR animals. :)

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True Robin, and I agree with your thoughts on this one. but we don't know what Chase is doing in the long run. Is he buying hets in order to produce a snake he cannot afford right now so he can produce it in a few years? Sure! there's absolutly nothing wrong with that. I've done it myself. I think a majority of people here have done that.

But does Chase have intentions on starting a business? We don't know. and right now i'm sure it doesn't even matter. For those people want a nice albino without intentions on putting their offspring back on the market, then "the best deal" is probably what will suite this particular instance.

make sense what i'm rambling about? I know i basically contradict my original post, but i'm trying to think about what's going through his mind as well...just trying to play both sides is all.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

True Robin, and I agree with your thoughts on this one. but we don't know what Chase is doing in the long run. Is he buying hets in order to produce a snake he cannot afford right now so he can produce it in a few years? Sure! there's absolutly nothing wrong with that. I've done it myself. I think a majority of people here have done that.

But does Chase have intentions on starting a business? We don't know. and right now i'm sure it doesn't even matter. For those people want a nice albino without intentions on putting their offspring back on the market, then "the best deal" is probably what will suite this particular instance.

make sense what i'm rambling about? I know i basically contradict my original post, but i'm trying to think about what's going through his mind as well...just trying to play both sides is all.

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All excellent points Nate. Chances are, however, that they will produce more than just one albino (or any other recessive) and will likely put the others up for sale.

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Originally Posted by rabernet

That line of thinking doesn't make sense to me. You're not going to choose better quality over lower price? Maybe it's just me, I want the BEST quality animals that I can get, and I'm willing to pay a little more for it. After all, in the end, your own reputation is riding on the quality of YOUR animals. :)

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I'm not sure if you understand the word PROBABLY. I'm simply saying that you shouldn't assume that more expensive is better quality. OMG in now way should that EVER be thought.

EX: If your a red bull fan, i don't agree with you at all. Your prolly thinking that your getting a ton of energy drinking a red bull cuz they have so many commercials and are so expensive. If you read the back of the can, you see a bunch of big words you dont understand so you assume its really important. My friend... you are a sheep and have been eaten by the wolves. Red bull has almost nothing but fructose glucose (sugar) as energy. You get almost nothing for the $3 you paid for a tiny can of it and you can get about 10 times as much energy from a 25 cent cup of coffee. The only reason red bull is so expensive is because of how much they spend on advertisement.

Therefore... I dont believe you should buy a more epensive snake just to show people how much better you are cuz you got a better snake cuz you paid more. Thats about as dumb as thinking Jared from subway got skinny JUST because he sat arond eating subway. Uhhhhh............ no

one thing to think about, don't just shop the snake, shop the breeder! finding the best deal is always good, finding a breeder you trust and you know will take care of you in any situation is better!! think of it kind of like insurance, if a problem happens or a situation comes up. a good breeder and business person will take care of you and work things out. most of the "cheap deals" and/or "low ballin" breeders won't. TSE (top shelf exotics) is one of the best examples of this, sold alot of hets, had very good deals/prices, had the highest trader rating on fauna! now try to find them or get your money back or get your snake you paid for :2cent:


establishing relationships with breeders and building trust is my advice.

hets are only as good as the person selling them!


vaughn

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Originally Posted by Chase13

EX: If your a red bull fan, i don't agree with you at all.

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Who said I asked you to agree with me? Couldn't care less.

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Your prolly thinking that your getting a ton of energy drinking a red bull cuz they have so many commercials and are so expensive.

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Nope. I think that I look sexy holding a red bull can, so it's fun for me to drink it. ;)

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Originally Posted by Chase13

My friend... you are a sheep and have been eaten by the wolves.

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My friend ... you are an arrogant, judgemental tool. Sheep this. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Chase13

You get almost nothing for the $3 you paid for a tiny can of it and you can get about 10 times as much energy from a 25 cent cup of coffee. The only reason red bull is so expensive is because of how much they spend on advertisement.

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I make a good living ... I don't care how much it costs, price is irrelevant to me ... I drink red bull because I like it and the colors of the can go well with my leather pants. :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by Chase13

Therefore... I dont believe you should buy a more epensive snake just to show people how much better you are cuz you got a better snake cuz you paid more.

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Who said anything about people being "better" than anyone? Get over yourself. :sweeet:

-adam

I depend on Depends....when reading Adam's posts

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Lol, are you kidding? Do you know the definition of arrogance. Pretty much all of the reason you stated for drinking red bull is arrogant. "I dont care how much it costs..." "I look sexy drinking it." And by the way, if you didn't care that i dont agree with you... you wouldn't post me back about it now would you. :rolleye2: Duh

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Lol, are you kidding? Do you know the definition of arrogance. Pretty much all of the reason you stated for drinking red bull is arrogant. "I dont care how much it costs..." "I look sexy drinking it." And by the way, if you didn't care that i dont agree with you... you wouldn't post me back about it now would you. :rolleye2: Duh

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You're obviously the mensa president. Strong work Ricky! :rofl:

-adam

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Originally Posted by Chase13

I'm not sure if you understand the word PROBABLY. I'm simply saying that you shouldn't assume that more expensive is better quality. OMG in now way should that EVER be thought.

EX: If your a red bull fan, i don't agree with you at all. Your prolly thinking that your getting a ton of energy drinking a red bull cuz they have so many commercials and are so expensive. If you read the back of the can, you see a bunch of big words you dont understand so you assume its really important. My friend... you are a sheep and have been eaten by the wolves. Red bull has almost nothing but fructose glucose (sugar) as energy. You get almost nothing for the $3 you paid for a tiny can of it and you can get about 10 times as much energy from a 25 cent cup of coffee. The only reason red bull is so expensive is because of how much they spend on advertisement.

Therefore... I dont believe you should buy a more epensive snake just to show people how much better you are cuz you got a better snake cuz you paid more. Thats about as dumb as thinking Jared from subway got skinny JUST because he sat arond eating subway. Uhhhhh............ no

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It's hard to compare a $3 buzz and a living animal. :rolleyes: But continuing with your same scenario setup, consider it more like purchasing from different stores. I'd much rather purchase from almost any other store than from Walmart. I do not like the Walmart stores in my area because they lack customer service and the hassle is not worth my time.

Customer service is huge when considering the purchase of an animal. A good breeder will have feeding records and basic history on every individual in their collection. They will also be willing to answer as many questions that you have before and after the sale. Whereas many people will sell you a snake and you are on your own with any question or problems you may encounter. Established breeders are there for you now and down the road. You can't beat that!

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Originally Posted by Chase13

baby or juvy but i wont be introducing them until next year october

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Did anybody catch this? If you get a baby or juvi--there is one way that they should be introduced next october!! you should look around and research breeding ball pythons before you do anything

just my 02.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I drink red bull because I like it and the colors of the can go well with my leather pants. :rolleye2:

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Nice! Where's the whistling smilie when you need it? :devilish: :wuv: