belly problem

Hi i have a ball python and on the lower part of his belly he has like a scab has anyone every seen or heard of this ??

is it like a little line going down?

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Originally Posted by nic247306

Hi i have a ball python and on the lower part of his belly he has like a scab has anyone every seen or heard of this ??

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Has he injured himself lately? Is this "scab" in one small area? Its reall hard to give a opinion of "what" it could be over the internet.Can you get a clear pic to post?

yes right on the belly it starts in the middle and goes to the tail at first it was all red now it looks like a scab ....and when he moves he has it humped upwards ..he is in with another and the other is fine ..

no injuries..

a few of my snakes have a small line only adout a inch long down the midel they seam fine but your could have cut it self or streach marks i think

its almost like dry skin that cracked ...he has nothing to cut himself in but thank you for the insight

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Originally Posted by nic247306

yes right on the belly it starts in the middle and goes to the tail at first it was all red now it looks like a scab ....and when he moves he has it humped upwards ..he is in with another and the other is fine ..

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A i hope you do not have two snakes together? Is the enclosure kept wet at all times? If so your snake has SCALE ROT :(.I advise you to get it to a vet ASAP and seperate them snakes.

no problem, dose he eat live?

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Originally Posted by whitesnake12

a few of my snakes have a small line only adout a inch long down the midel they seam fine but your could have cut it self or streach marks i think

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Whitesnake12,the line you are more then likely are talking about is where your snake was connected to its egg yolk.The umbilical cord

I have two together ..they have been together for awile 3 months at least the other has no signs ,,,the tank is not kept wet it is cleaned 2 a week has a water dish and moss box for humidity ..other then that it is dry i thought it might be too dry ...

he is a great eater he eats live

what are the temps at day and a night

Is he breeding, if not, he should be housed alone. The scab you are talking about, well I have never personally seen something like that, so I am purely guessing. Maybe the inside is irritated,obviously something is. It also sounds like it was cut. Again, just a guess..

Edit: Joe beat me to it!

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Whitesnake12,the line you are more then likely are talking about is where your snake was connected to its egg yolk.The umbilical cord

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oh ok thanks always wonder what that was:sabduel:

mmchoppers ..i dont think he cut himself there is nothing in his cage to cut him ....he is just a baby still so i house him with another male i have too many to give them all a seperate tank ...thank you thoug i need to get a picture maybe that would help

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Originally Posted by nic247306

I have two together ..they have been together for awile 3 months at least the other has no signs ,,,the tank is not kept wet it is cleaned 2 a week has a water dish and moss box for humidity ..other then that it is dry i thought it might be too dry ...

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I am not being rude here just point blank honest.Do you care about your snakes well being? If you answer yes here SEPERATE them! Ball pythons are NOT social snakes and only come together for breeding purposes.You keep saying the one eats what about the other one? Your snakes belly does not just become red and then scabe up for no reasons.What are you using as a substrate?

what dose he eat like rat pup hopper mice that could have scrach and got infected

he eats mice i watch them closley when the eat ... and i do care about my snakes i have over 8,000 invested in my snakes and their offspring ...they are social and can be kept together if you ever read a book on ball pythons it tell you to quarantine any new ones before intruducing them to other ones ..he is not contagious it has to do with either dry skin or shedding

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Originally Posted by nic247306

mmchoppers ..i dont think he cut himself there is nothing in his cage to cut him ....he is just a baby still so i house him with another male i have too many to give them all a seperate tank ...thank you thoug i need to get a picture maybe that would help

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Once again not being rude just honest.Do you think it is right to keep to many as you put it if you are not able to give each one there own enclosure? Do you have your own bed or do you sleep with numerous others(not meaning a boyfreind/girlfreind things here).Do live in your own home or do you share one home with the rest of your block? I am not trying to be your dad or tell you what or what you can not have,just pointing out some problems.

they both eat well and are on newspaper

well thank you for your opinion but i deal with nerd and bhb and they keep their snakes together ...mind you i have to babies in a 30 gal tank

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Originally Posted by nic247306

he eats mice i watch them closley when the eat ... and i do care about my snakes i have over 8,000 invested in my snakes and their offspring ...they are social and can be kept together if you ever read a book on ball pythons it tell you to quarantine any new ones before intruducing them to other ones ..he is not contagious it has to do with either dry skin or shedding

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Wow:( .I stopped reading the books along time back as they are a waste of paper and nothing more.Question for you then.If your books tell you the "proper" ways to keep your social ball pythons,what does it say about your snakes belly that was RED and is now scabby? I am not being a smart alleck here just wondering.

i have to females to gether and they are fine i am not saying your wrong but they can be house to gether and I have had a good 5-6 years expirences with bp

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Originally Posted by nic247306

well thank you for your opinion but i deal with nerd and bhb and they keep their snakes together ...mind you i have to babies in a 30 gal tank

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I hope you are not saying NERD and BHB tell you its ok to keep numerous ball pythons together at all times unless they are breeding.I find that hard to beleive:confused:

thank you whitesnake No I SAID I KEEP TWO TOGETHER IN A 30 GAL TANK AND OTHERS IN A 55 AND 75 ITS NOT LIKE THEY ARE IN TEN GALLON TANKS ....and no one in any of the 12 reptile shows ive gone to said anything bad about keeping them together .... unless it is a male and female and it wasnt breeding season...and the red scab is something to do with shedding or humidity ..it is rare and the vet said they never seen anything like it

since these book are such a waste i guess you never read the one bby bob clark who has a phd in herpatology or the one by kevin m from nerd ....yea real wast of paper ..

hey every body has a opion his is keeping 2 snakes 2gether is bad we say its not

very true whitesnake ...the line looks like it might shed off so ill just wait and see ..when are you getting a spider

my spider

http://market.kingsnake.com/image/548732.jpg

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Originally Posted by nic247306

very true whitesnake ...the line looks like it might shed off so ill just wait and see ..when are you getting a spider

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saturday look on my frist morph under genral

you have a blackback ??

I cant wait to get him start the bumble bees and then trade a bee for a piebald

the het albino that I am getting has a black back so yes not het red axanthic

sounds like fun i have two breeders cant wait for my other ones to get bigger

g2g I hate school lol

good luck with your snakes

can I see a pic of your albino

my babies normal and albino

http://market.kingsnake.com/image/526623.jpg

awww they are so tiny and cute I love albinos,pibalds,strips,ect a lot of things but albinos speak to me

i cant belive that guy he wont stop he wrote me a private letter

it bothers me when people are not open to opinions and think they know it all

wow, $8,000 worth of snakes... you must have some very nice snakes :D

most people on this forum believe that keeping snakes together in one enclosure is not in their best interest. ball pythons are not social critters... and one will show dominance over another (and we look at them and think they are cuddling). often it leads to feeding problems and stress related problems.

the bottom line for most people is that IF one of your snakes becomes sick... then chances are all the others in the same enclosure will also get sick - if you have a runny stool... you don't know which snake's poop it was. if you get parasites or mites... everyone ends up with them.

balls really like a nice enclosure (a rubbermaid or sterilite sweater box works great and is very inexpensive) with two identical hides. one of the warm side and one on the cool side. with some UTH or since you have so many snakes a nice rack system would probably do a better job for you with some flexwatt tape for heating.

any chance you have a pic or two of your snakes belly so we can perhaps see what it looks like. it 'sounds' like belly rot to me... but pics would sure help a lot.

if it was me... and i had $8,000 worth of snakes... i'd want to protect my investment with proper housing and husbandry ;)

No one is claiming to "know it all". We all just want what is best for our animals in the long run. We are only advising you that what you are doing, may not be the best for those animals.

Cannibalism in snakes does happen. It also is NOT a pretty sight at all. I know if I had that amount of money wrapped up in a collection, I'd be making sure they were all getting the best proper care from myself.

Also if you talk to any good, well known breeder.... 99.9% of all of them will tell you that they do not keep their breeders together or any of their other snakes together at all times, but only match them up when it is breeding season.

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Originally Posted by nic247306

i cant belive that guy he wont stop he wrote me a private letter

it bothers me when people are not open to opinions and think they know it all

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I find this funny.You should really practice what you preach then.I do not know it all but i know enough to properly care for my reptiles.I am not the only one here that will agree its not good to keep any snakes together ever unless its breeding time.I wish you the best for you and your reptiles

i have two male babies in a 30 gallon tank .......im sorry i dont have pictures i did see a vet and they ruled out belly rot and scale rot ..it is something uncommon that they hadnt seen before i keep them clean and do worry about them getting sick and being with the other snake ...its not like i have a bunch in one tank though ...joey i thought you were not going to bother me anymore ....i have had the other balls for 10 years and usally keep two together and havnt had a problem yet so ill cross my fingers and hope for the best ...

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Originally Posted by nic247306

if you ever read a book on ball pythons it tell you to quarantine any new ones before intruducing them to other ones

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I think you took the info wrong, it does not mean after quarantine that you can put the snakes together, it means you can move the new snake into the same area as the others.

i do understand your points ...but it is not contagious and i feed them outside there tanks ..some pepole may disagree about keeping them together but alot of people think that keeping two in a big tank will cause them no harm except if one gets sick ...i dont want to come across snotty but i go to alot of shows and no one has ever said anything about keeping two together unless it was male and female ..

if i may ask...

how many people do you ask at the shows if your husbandry methods are okay?

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Originally Posted by nic247306

i have two male babies in a 30 gallon tank .......im sorry i dont have pictures i did see a vet and they ruled out belly rot and scale rot ..it is something uncommon that they hadnt seen before i keep them clean and do worry about them getting sick and being with the other snake ...its not like i have a bunch in one tank though ...joey i thought you were not going to bother me anymore ....i have had the other balls for 10 years and usally keep two together and havnt had a problem yet so ill cross my fingers and hope for the best ...

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My name is JOE.I guess i have a soft heart when it comes to reptiles:( .Tell ya what lets start over.Hi welcome to the group:cool: .Your snake with the belly problem sounded like belly rot at first but you vet says its not hmmm.If you ever find out what it is please let us know just for info purposes for the future.Since you have another snake in the same enclosure as the one with the belly problem you might want to set them each up in another room or something.I say this incase you find out it is contagious(spelling) i would hate to see your others get it.

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Originally Posted by nic247306

i do understand your points ...but it is not contagious

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curious... if you vet has no idea what it is... then how do you know if it's contagious? you mentioned that it could not have injured itself to cause the problem... so perhaps it is something contagious. i would hate to see all your snakes get sick. :(