Goodbye...

Well, I'd had him a week. I don't know what happened but I went to check on him before going out... and he's dead... he's just lying there.
I'm so mad right now, at the breeder and myself. I don't know if I did anything wrong, but what if I did? And why would he sell me a snake he knew was unhealthy?

http://mousch.zoto.com/img/45/e6d7b2...9bb06f7a4-.jpg

I know you tried little guy. Thanks. I'm sorry I couldn't do more for you.

:( Oh I'm so sorry to hear about your loss... big :hug:s.

I am so sorry to hear of your loss. Have you contacted the breeder? If he's as well known as you said he is in Canada, hopefully he'll do the right thing and replace him for you. Again - my deepest sympathies!

Well, he's well known in Calgary, both famously and infamously, it turns out. I emailed him becuase I think he's on his way to Daytona.

I can't believe it happened so suddenly.

I am so sorry to read of your losing your little BP. :(

So sad! :hug: I'm so sorry!!

Oh, mousch, I'm really sorry to hear that. :(

oh thats so sad :(

sorry to hear the bad news.

I am so sorry :( .You did not do anything wrong,you gave him the best chance you could.As far as the breeder i will be nice here as i would be banned if i posted my thoughts about the jerk.At least his last week was spent with someone that loved him :hug: .

though your earthly body be laid to rest,you soul will live eternaly in the big habitat in the sky. R.I.P little guy

I'm gonna put him in the river. He loved to splash around in his waterbowl after all.

That is so sad:( Hugs from across the pond:hug:

Oh that is so sad. :hug: Best of luck with the replacement.

Quick advice: Don't go look at houses to calm down or you will come home.. owning a home!
So it looks like I won't be looking into a replacement until September, probably. Because we're moving in August into a house :O

Awesome, congrats on the new home!

Awwwww I'm so sorry to hear about little Hero. You tried!!! Atleast he had a good life with you for a shot time.


Also congrats on the house and good luck moving!

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Awwwww I'm so sorry to hear about little Hero. You tried!!! Atleast he had a good life with you for a shot time.


Also congrats on the house and good luck moving!

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Yeah my boyfriend doesn't seem too keen on me asking for the downstairs bedroom as my "snake room"...
Guess I just gotta wear him down on it some more! :P
Where else will I keep a hogg island boa... and a pastel BP... and an albino retic.... and an ATB.... and and and... :)

What happened do you know ? have you had the cause of death checked at the vet ?


so sorry for your loss :(

Wow, not what I expected from reading the title.......

I am so sorry for the unexpected loss. I haven't lost a snake yet, but I know it has to be heartbreaking. There is nothing you could have done in a week to cause the passing on the little guy, so don't beat yourself up.

And BTW, congrats on the house!

:grouphug:

sorry to hear that...:(

same thing happened to me when i bought my first snake...it was given to me w/ mites and an RI...they just dont care as long as they r making the money from u....:mad:

Sorry to hear about your BP. He's probably resting right now in snakey heaven with all the other diseased herps. R.I.P.

BTW, congrats on the enw home. When does escrow close? Moving next month seems really fast (things may be different in Canada).

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What happened do you know ? have you had the cause of death checked at the vet ?


so sorry for your loss :(

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I'm pretty sure it's the fact that he was pretty much malnourished and the stress of changing owners :(

He got a river service this morning, I set him down there.

I don't know what escrow means, but it's a relatively fast posession, but not terribly unusual. I mean the homeowners had Aug 15 as their ideal posession date on the home info sheet, and the agreed to it. You can have all the paperwork done in three weeks' time without really rushing.

I'm going to wait until we're moved to get another snake. If that means forfeiting the breeder's "two week guarantee" on the snake, then so be it, I don't want to lose another one :(

I'm not sure what the meaning is either, but when you get a certain amount of days till escrow closes, that's when the owner has to bail out and the keys go into your hands. Around here they're 30-60 days, not sure on what it depends on (I guess what the owner chooses).

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I'm pretty sure it's the fact that he was pretty much malnourished and the stress of changing owners :(

He got a river service this morning, I set him down there.

I don't know what escrow means, but it's a relatively fast posession, but not terribly unusual. I mean the homeowners had Aug 15 as their ideal posession date on the home info sheet, and the agreed to it. You can have all the paperwork done in three weeks' time without really rushing.

I'm going to wait until we're moved to get another snake. If that means forfeiting the breeder's "two week guarantee" on the snake, then so be it, I don't want to lose another one :(

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With the move it would be best to wait, but you really SHOULD let the breeder know what's happened and that the snake he sold was in poor health. If he's reputable, he'll still make good in some manner.

Good luck, on both your new home move and your future pet.

:hug: Sorry to hear of your pet's passing. :(

Yes. I called and emailed the breeder yesterday, so hopefully he will get back to me.

I am sorry to hear for your loss. For your own information, going by the pictures, I think the one you got was a captive hatched ball python, born in Africa. If you already knew this then I am sorry. If you where told this was captive born then I would be concerned. I wish you the best of luck in the further and hope you are not too discouraged.

Mousch,

Who was the breeder? He looks very small in the pic you posted. Email me once you move and I'll set you up with a healthy, CB, ball python. I'll also be out at the Red Deer Alberta show the end of August as well.

I hope you can rectify this situation with the "breeder".

Corey

Good plan Corey. mousch, you will be so pleased with the difference of getting a well started captive born ball python. Especially from somebody who does such a nice job as Corey:gj:

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Mousch,

Who was the breeder? He looks very small in the pic you posted. Email me once you move and I'll set you up with a healthy, CB, ball python. I'll also be out at the Red Deer Alberta show the end of August as well.

I hope you can rectify this situation with the "breeder".

Corey

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Mousch, you can't go wrong with Corey! I'd jump on this offer like a hungry snake on a rat! :P

Corey, will you be at the small TARAS show in September?

I honestly don't know if he was captive bred or hatched. The way he talked I assumed it was CB but I really don't know. He was so skinny, but I was really sure I could pull him through with your guys' help. I guess it wasn't meant to be :(

But if I have the assurance of a healthy happy bouncing (maybe not bouncing) baby BP, maybe we'll go to red deer. It's not too far from Calgary, is it? I have the feeling my boyfriend would drive me. He seemed pretty "cool" on the idea of a BP until we got hero, and he got a case of ball lub. He was very sad when we lost him, he would talk to him in his cage and always wanted to hold him. If you would set us up to be happy BP parents again, I would much appreciate it :)

I don't think I'll be attending the TARAS show in Calgary in September. Red Deer is located inbetween Calgary and Edmonton and is about a 90 minute drive from Calgary. The show is August 26th and 27th. You can get more information from this website;

http://www.reptileshowandsale.com/reddeer.htm

If you have any questions regarding the show Walter is a good guy and will help you out with any questions (he runs the show and can be contacted from the link above).

The show is very easy to get to from Calgary as it is just off the highway on the right hand side just as you come into Red Deer.

Corey

Ooh, neat. I learned we are moving all through september, so the move won't be too stressful for anybody either. I'll mention it to him!

Okay, the breeder replied and says he will replace him for me. I just don't know...

Who is the breeder?

Corey

Mousch. Just an observation and maybe unfounded, but little Hero didn't seem to be sitting "right" on your neck. His tail is up in the air and so is his head. I know when my BP was a baby (not much bigger than Hero was) he always curled his tail round some part of me (yes, it was my neck when he was small - he's a lot bigger now and hooks his tail under my arm) and unless he was looking up at something, his head was level with his body.


It's just something I noticed after reading one of Corey's posts where he says the BP looks very small.

Anyone else noticed that too?

Poor little thing:(

He also had "wobbly head syndrome"

all in all I took in a snake in bad shape.

I'm sorry for your loss, and that I didn't see this thread sooner... poor little guy... he had a happy home for his short life, though. I'm glad the breeder is trying to make it right...

Mousch,


If it were me, I think I'd take a pass from the other breeder and take Corey up on his offer. There's no way that breeder didn't know that Hero was not healthy just from the pictures you shared. I'd ask the breeder if he'd just refund your money, tell him you need to take some time before you're ready for another, because you didn't expect to lose the first one so soon (you had mentioned not wanting to get on this other breeder's bad side in another thread - based on his reputation in the ball community in Canada - if I'm remembering correctly).

I don't know Corey personally, but I know his name (Hi and welcome to the forum, by the way Corey!) and have not heard or read of any negative feedback on him that I can remember. I believe that you will get a nice healthy and well started baby from Corey!

I'm thinking of that too. I'll see. If I can get an assured CB from him with a feed and shedding record, we'll try. If not we'll pay corey a visit in Red Deer, possibly.

I really doubt I will get a snake assured CB with paperwork though.

I'd be very wary of getting another snake from that breeder Mousch. I really think you'd be better getting a refund, then getting a nice, healthy BP from Corey.


When I looked at the pic of little Hero, it went through my mind, did he have IBD? It's something I've never seen, and I hope I never do so other more experienced people on this forum would have a better knowledge of that disease than I do. I do know that IBD is highly contagious between Boids and that the stricken snake "star gazes" and doesn't have good co-ordination.

There is also the possibility that it could have been something genetic, which may not show in another snake from that breeder but could show up if you bred from that snake in the future.

I really think you'd be wise to consider getting a full refund from the breeder. If he's any good as a breeder (and I have my doubts) he will give you a full refund without question.

If you are going to use the same viv to keep your new snake in, please make sure it is thoroughly disinfected, along with any viv furniture, water bowls etc. Better still, dump the lot and get new. Better safe than sorry.

A healthy BP (Royal Python we call them over here) is a joy to own:D

I can only imagine how rewarding a healthy snake must be. I thought "star gazing" was turning to the side/ rolling over? He never really rolled over or anything. I don't know what it was.
I'm going to try and get a refund but honestly I have a feeling that may involve him jeopardizing if I can get live feeders in the future and it's very possible he wouldn't refund me. If not, I'm prepared to eat that loss. If I can get full paperwork, I will go with that. If not, I will be seeing Corey - I talked to my boyfriend about going to Red Deer and he said it sounds fine to him if I will end up with a healthy snake. It'd be even better if I could get one used to eating F/T already :P

Maybe I'll ask the breeder if I can get a refund now and say I'm waiting until after I move and everything to get another snake. I don't know, I just don't want to start some kind of drama, you know?

I totally understand your desire to not make waves with someone who has the potential to make even bigger waves back atcha.


If I were you, I would not even suggest that you want another snake after you move. He may just offer "store credit" in that case and tell you to come back whenever you're ready. I would just tell him the experience has put me off owning snakes for awhile and could I just please have my money back? He doesn't have to know you're going to buy another one from Corey later.

That's what I was thinking of doing now. If he won't give me a refund, I'll eat the cost, whatever. It's not worth a second unhealthy snake to me.

Sometimes it's hard to by-pass a snake that's poorly. In fact, sometimes it's the hardest thing you can do. Last year I went into a reptile shop in a town nearby. I wanted to buy every reptile in the shop such was the disgusting condition they were being kept in. Filthy vivs, household lightbulbs for heat which didn't seem to be attached to any temperature control, and worse, all the snakes were curled up in their water bowls which were filthy and several contained no water at all. I knew if I'd bought them all, apart from hefty vet bills, I'd only be lining the pockets of the shop owners and condemning even more animals to a life of hell. We turned on our heel and left. Both my husband and I were reduced to tears at the plight of these poor animals. I still remember the pleading look from the poor rat snake, pushing the door with his nose in a desperate bid to get out of the hell-hole that was supposed to be a viv. I just hope some kind person bought him. I let my friend who does reptile rescue know about it. She'd been kicking up a stink with the RSPCA for a long time about that shop, trying to get it closed down and had been liaising with one of their inspectors.


I have two rescue snakes. One is a BP who I got from my friend who does reptile rescue. He had originally been a healthy snake, but the people who had bought him knew nothing about snakes and couldn't be bothered asking for advice or learning then they just got fed up with him. My friend got him just in time and nursed him back to health. He had three sheds on him, several layers of eyecaps and was starving to death. It was touch and go for a while and when we gave him a home, he was still very triangular. He is a very healthy snake now but still very shy. He's a good eater and sheds perfectly every time now. Our other rescue is a Cornsnake. I have a post under Cornsnakes about him. He had at some point been quite badly burned (unguarded household lightbulb) and has some bad scarring along his neck. He was sold for £10 - the price of a couple of pints of beer by the previous owners own admission. He had also been a healthy snake to start with, just neglected. He's fine now.

You tried with little Hero and loved him and cared for him in his short time with you. I'm sure that in his own little snake way, he knew that. You are a very kind person and I sincerely hope that the next BP you get is with you for many, many years.

:) Thanks. I go back tomorrow and I've been going over and over in m head how to tell him I don't want a snake, I'm going to ask for a CB with paperwork and records of his feeds/sheds because I don't want to risk another sudden death, because I don't want it to put me off snakes. I have a feeling he will get mad and not give me anything but you know what? That's worth not getting another unhealthy snake who will die on me. Red Deer and Corey seem to be in my future.

This time I'll trust BP.net, because I know you guys are nothing but helpful. Thanks for being so great with me about this :) Warm fuzzies for all of you! (in the context of a snake forum that phrase suddenly becomes much stranger :O )

LadyPython, if you return to this thread.
Is this star-gazing?

http://mousch.zoto.com/img/45/35a16c...607a27ef3-.jpg

http://mousch.zoto.com/img/45/0ab29e...0e5e4e27c-.jpg

I don't know if I'm over analyzing, but he would do this from time to time (I don't know about hours on end) and he seemed to have troule moving his back end (the the point I thought his tail may have been paralysed for a shrt time, but he could move it.. just pretty weakly).

I don't know if I'm just going back and hoping to use IBD as an excuse or not though. I just wish I knew why :(

If you want a honest opinion.I would not even trust anything this clown(i will not say my correct words for him;) ) has or will ever have.If by chance Hero did have IBD everything in the clowns collection probably does also.I would ask for a refund and if he refuses kindly turn and leave.Why put your heart out for something else he pushes on you.Wait until the person(sorry forgot your name) who offered you a true cbb ball python and yourself can hook up.Like i said this is my honest opinion ;)

That's my honest opinion too, Joe. That's what I'll tell him. My boyfriend thinks I should take a snake anyway if he won't give me my money back, but I figure I'll just pay the enchanting Mr Woods a visit in Red Deer, and cut my losses.

I call it Ray Charlsing when they look up and swing their head back and forth, but Im not sure what that is really called...

It could very well be IBD and there is no cure for it.


Here's a couple of links you might find useful about IBD.

http://www.anapsid.org/deanne.html

http://homepage.usask.ca/~vim458/vir...xotic/ibd.html

I may be totally wrong, as I don't know a lot about IBD except what little I've heard and read on the Internet, but I suspect poor little Hero died from IBD. If that is the case, I would not, under any circumstances, get another snake from that breeder.

I would try and get a full refund, just say that the experience has put you off getting another snake for the time being. If he refuses to give you a refund, perhaps you will just have to write it off as a very bad experience.

Any snake that has IBD will die. Sadly, there is no cure for it:(