Pic of my ball pythons

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All three of them. Form left to right : Vinchenzo (he was just finishing shedding), Tneme and Ereequel

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Tneme size compared to a AA battery

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Ereequel size compared to a AA battery

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My first and favoite: Vinchenzo. he's not as big as the others...but is just as gorgeous

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head shot of my baby Vinchenzo or Vinny as I like to call him

Dang vinny sure does have a nice pattern like a jungle or something. Nice headshot too.

Yea I especially love the slight white spot he has on his head. I've been comparing him to my golden python and they share a few similar pattern traits.

He may be a het of some sort..who knows!?

do u keep your balls in the same encloser?

Yes I do

Again, not a good idea, snake are solitary animals and they do not like to be together in an enclousure, they compete for the right temps and get very stressed out.

Brush up on your husbandry a little bit.

BTW just becuase he is a more light color doesnt mean he is a pastel none of them really look like pastels or even a high gold,and it doesnt mean they are het either.

I know snakes are solitary. But since Vinny was housed with another snake since he was very young and has always been since and the other two were housed together AND with two different breeds of snake I highly doubt thre will be a problem. They're doing amazing together now and seem quite content. they have a 40 gallon tank, so can roam as they please, but the choose to stay together.
some species of snake come together and hibernate in large clusters and breed that was sometimes too.

And as for me thinking that Vinny could be a het of somesort...it is just that...a thought. I know that colors can vary, but I just found it interesting that he shared some similar traits to my gold python more so then my other male pastel and some other pastel pythons that I've seen.

nice ;)

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ousing+pythons

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ousing+pythons

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ousing+pythons

and of course... there is more info on this site if you do a search. hope this assists you.

Thanks. This seems to be a heated depate more then anything on those treads...But like people were saying in them, I'll keep an eye out. I handle them everyday.
They're getting along well. All eating properly, all going out and roaming the cage and not "eating one another". Thanks for the thread links. I'll keep the info in mind

Thankies once again

Ashley

Q: Is it Ok to keep more than one snake in a cage?
A: Yes and No. I don't advise keeping different types/species and/or sizes of snakes in one cage. After a 2-3 month quarantine, two or more Ball Pythons of similar size can be house together in a big cage. If they happen to stop feeding, I would suggest separating them to individual cages, and you'll want to separate them at feeding time. (Husbandry)

taken from http://www.kingsnake.com/ballpythonguide/#FAQ

This is where I've been going for the most part and talking to other ball python owners/breeders as well.

I followed this for the most part. All three of my balls are in a 40 gallon tank and are separated during feeding, no regurgitation or odd behavior has been seen. Come 1-2 am they are out and about their cage, one may straggle and stay in the hide once in a blue moon.

I don't know how he did it, but Vinny managed to get out of his tank one night and slithered in bed with me. I woke up to him under my pillow. The tooth fairy, later, was no where to be found....

how long have they been in the same enclosure? i was just wandering because we just got a female ball (shes still in quarintine) with the intentions of putting her in with our other ball. we said something about it on another site and everyone freaked out and got really upset with us. we asked our vet and a few breeders before purchasing her and they all said it was perfectly fine.

oh yeah what sex are yours?

From the threads I've read on here you'll get flammed for sayign you want to or do keep more hten one ball python in one enclosure. I've had my 3 ball pythons kept together for over a week, but before hand my new arrivals were kept a 60 gallon tank with 2 red tail boas, and a coastal carpet. The coastal was more the hald the ball pythons size (they're abotu 3-4 feet) and the boas were much bigger ( 5-6 feet) they all were in their own little "groups" in the tank.

My balls have a fairly large hide my bally python stayed in there alone fine and now he has two others in there and they're getting along fine. In my circle of informents there is no problem with keeping more hten one in a tank, you are of course risking certain health concerns for you're snakes in doing so.
After quarentineing them, try putting them together and at the first sign of aggression I'd separate them.
I go by how they react, casue each ball python has it's own prefference in my opinion and their own personality too, again in my opinion.

Best of luck and have a good one :)

Ashley

Are two males and one female.

thanx! we are going to let them meet and play together outside there enclosures a few times before we actualy put them in the same one. then we will be sure to keep an eye on them

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From the threads I've read on here you'll get flammed for sayign you want to or do keep more hten one ball python in one enclosure. I've had my 3 ball pythons kept together for over a week, but before hand my new arrivals were kept a 60 gallon tank with 2 red tail boas, and a coastal carpet. The coastal was more the hald the ball pythons size (they're abotu 3-4 feet) and the boas were much bigger ( 5-6 feet) they all were in their own little "groups" in the tank.




Ashley

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And that was all super bad husbandry, how stupid do you have to be to put all those differnt snakes together ?!?! They were in all of thier "little groups" becuase they were forced to be, not becuase they enjoyed it....some people just dont get it.....this is not good for your snakes at all. Personally i wouldent have even bought those snakes from that person who sold them to you. He obviously had no idea what he was doing, that is just ridiculous, if you are totally convinced that this is okay, then do it, but you have a couple people here that have probly been keeping snakes (the right way) for a much longer time than you have advising you not to do this for the animals sake.

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From the threads I've read on here you'll get flammed for sayign you want to or do keep more hten one ball python in one enclosure.

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No one is flaming you, just trying to prevent an accident and do what's best for the animals involved.

(DISCLAIMER: I'm about to use someone else's saying here, just in a different way... no offense implied)

Hey Ashley... I have a German Shepherd Dog. She's about 10 months old, and once a day, I let her have a 1/2 cup of water, and I feed her two cups of Science Diet every other day. Sure, she's a little slim, but she doesn't need all kinds of muscles and fat build up on her because she spends about 20 to 22 hours a day locked up in her crate, or chained up outside. She seems really happy and she gets really excited when I let her out of her crate or when someone winds up petting her. We try to walk her at least once a month or so, whether she needs it or not. I figure, Science Diet is a great food that vets recommend, so I must be doing everything right!

Oh, I forgot to mention that she has tics covering her from snout to tail, but she seems to get along with them just fine. She even plays with them every once in a while. Scratching them off.... who would ever think that, she's just petting them!!

(Other DISCLAIMER: Of course I would never do this to any living animal, and if I ever asked for anyone's advice, or had it volunteered to me, I would always take it, even if I didn't agree with it, and not argue with the new "friends" I was trying to make by saying "This is what I've always done, and I'm gonna keep on doin it, so don't try to stop me!")

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I know snakes are solitary. But since Vinny was housed with another snake since he was very young and has always been since and the other two were housed together AND with two different breeds of snake I highly doubt thre will be a problem. They're doing amazing together now and seem quite content. they have a 40 gallon tank, so can roam as they please, but the choose to stay together.
some species of snake come together and hibernate in large clusters and breed that was sometimes too.

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They are not puppy dogs. I know they seem very cute when they are all snuggled together but do not make the mistake of assuming that this is a sign of affection or snake love or something else. They are not capable of these and you should seperate them without subjecting them to this ill husbandry anymore. I know there are a lot of breeders and vets out there who will irresponsibly tell you to house them together and they are a part of the problem. I hope you will do your research a little better before blindly taking their advice. There are some big name breeders who frequent this forum and they will tell you to house your snakes in different enclosures. Welcome to the forums and happy herping :)

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From the threads I've read on here you'll get flammed for sayign you want to or do keep more hten one ball python in one enclosure.

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If "flaming" is telling you what you obviously don't want to hear, than so be it. The reality is that the people on this message board are all very experienced and knowledgeable about ball pythons and they're just trying to help.

There are lots of guides and care sheets for ball pythons on the internet ... some are written by experienced keepers and some are written by novices like yourself ... and even though I am sure that they are all written with the best intentions, some of them give some pretty bad advice.

Here at ball-pythons.net, there is a community of passionate, knowledgeable, REAL PEOPLE, that love their animals and are genuinely trying to help. A care sheet is one persons opinion, but here you have experienced keeper after experienced keeper urging you to keep your snakes in separate enclosures for their own benefit.

At 19 years old, with only a small fraction of the combined experience of all of the people posting on this site, why would you disagree?

-adam

I differ on a lot of the opinions expressed on this site, but I've also learned so much from it. That said, I also believe you should separate these snakes. Just because the person you bought the snake from was treating them terribly, doesn't mean you should. You bought these snakes and therefore have a responsibility to them to give them the best possible housing conditions. Not the conditions that best fit your ideas or your schedule or your finances, but one that they can be happy and healthy in.

Sharing an enclosure is extremely stressful to snakes. They are SOLITARY animals in the wild, only coming together to mate. The reason they are cuddling in the same hide together? It's because they're competing for the best hot spot. Only one is able to get it (the dominant one) and the others, therefore, are suffering. The reason they're always together: same thing. Always competing. In such a small space (40 gallon is enough for ONE) there are only so many prime spots for basking and cooling down. They don't like each other... trust me. They're fighting constantly, in their own way.

Another thing: keeping that female in with two males, especially if she's not ready to breed, could be extremely dangerous. If she becomes gravid, it's entirely possible that it could weaken he so much that she could die.

Speaking of dying: keeping these three snakes together is just asking for disease problems. What happens when one gets sick? How are you going to tell which one has worms when their poo is all gross? You'll have to take all of them to the vet, tripling your bill (this is also a good reason your friend's ball shouldn't visit, too).

Just because one website says something, doesn't make it right. If you would check out other sites on the net (I have a whole slew of links on my website---www.buckeyegecko.com/caresheets.htm) you'll find that most people tell you not to keep them together.

And, I hate to tell you this, but the guy ripped you off. You didn't get a golden ball, and you really didn't get a pastel. They're all beautiful snakes, don't get me wrong, and the one looks to be high gold, but they're all just very pretty normals (but then, what do you expect from a guy that's keeping two BPs in with RTBs and a carpet---he really ticks me off).

I'm just trying to relay the facts to you. It's not my opinion. It's the truth. Please, for their sake, get them their own enclosures (it can be as simply as a plastic tub with holes in it---how expensive is that????). Don't be another reptile owner that won't listen to facts.

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thanx! we are going to let them meet and play together outside there enclosures a few times before we actualy put them in the same one. then we will be sure to keep an eye on them

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Ball pythons don't "play together". Sorry about that.

-adam

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how long have they been in the same enclosure? i was just wandering because we just got a female ball (shes still in quarintine) with the intentions of putting her in with our other ball. we said something about it on another site and everyone freaked out and got really upset with us. we asked our vet and a few breeders before purchasing her and they all said it was perfectly fine.

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Obviously the Vet does not know that Ball Pythons are Cannibalistic and is advising you based on his general knowledge of reptiles. You should talk to a respected Herpetologist instead. I would be interested in knowing which breeders you spoke with. I usually meet a lot of these Half baked, two bit twits in some dingy petstore who claim that they know the ball python world inside out!

My big thing is this: Mistakes happen. People screw up. But when you're being given advice from knowledgeable people who simply want the best for your snake... it's tantamount to cruelty (and just plain stubborn-ness) not to listen.

EDIT: And trust me, I really DO NOT agree with everything said on these forums. I have my own opinions on things. But when it comes to caring about the snake, everyone on here knows their stuff, and just wants the best for them.

Of course I agree that BPs should be housed seperately. Why introduce an unneccesary stress into their life? You have taken the responsibililty to care for this animal and it's your job to do everything in your power to ensure it is cared for in the best manner possible. If you cannot do that, you probably shouldn't have taken the responsibility in the first place.
Having said all of that I do find it amusing that this post:

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No one is flaming you, just trying to prevent an accident and do what's best for the animals involved.

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Appeared directly after this one:

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And that was all super bad husbandry, how stupid do you have to be to put all those differnt snakes together ?!?!

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Sorry......I'm sick.....I know it. Trying to bring a little levity to this ultra serious situation.

Kaos,
I am just like 90% of people in this forum. I joined to learn more about snakes. I learned one thing very quickly, everyone has an opinion. We all know what some opinions can resemble. I have asked a lot of questions and also questioned the answers. I don't believe anyone should settle for the first answer they hear. Question everything! I do, until I get one answer consistently from people with experience. I am a member of several forums, just in case one forum is full of people who don't know what they are talking about.

Here is my advice to you. The web is full of information (good and bad). Use that information to make the best well informed decisions you can make for the care of your snake.

1. Question everything. 2. Question the answers. 3. Examine the source of all answers. 4. Make an informed intelligent decision.
It's not always the popular thing to do, but it's the right thing to do!

On a side note I have that page you linked to book marked already. Some of his information is 9,10 and 15 yrs old. Our ability to learn and do things better has evovled (spelling) in that much time. If someone gave you computer advice and thier knowledge was that outdated would you use it?

I hope she comes back to read all this good advise. That "stupid" comment was a little harsh.

I know if I was new and someone called me stupid right off, I wouldn't come back.

You have been given a lot of good advice by people that KNOW what they are talking about. You can choose to accept it or not. These are not opinions, but rather facts.

The "stupid" comment was in reference to the person she got the snakes from not an attack on her. They were the ones who had them all grouped together.

Kaos, don't be turned off people are just concerned for your snakes and thier well being. Also open your mind to the years of reseach and experince in this forum. I have had my BP for 4 months now. I am light years ahead of anyone who has owned a snake for the same amount of time because of these and other forums.

Start here at this link and go from there.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/modules....warticle&id=52

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The "stupid" comment was in reference to the person she got the snakes from not an attack on her. They were the ones who had them all grouped together.

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I know that. But she's doing the same thing... and she obviously thought it wasn't totally wrong what he was doing.

I'm simply trying to make the point that saying something is stupid isn't going to help the situation. And I really want her to come back and read all this... it's stuff she needs to know, whether she decides to follow it or not.

Oh boy...I've seen you alot on here.... I have no problem with advice. But with the "experienceed" keepers out there who have said its' ok to keep them together I think they'll be fine...Get that? I THINK!! MY OWN OPINION. Which isn't worth much on here it seem unless I am a "experienced" breeder or keeper. Sure I'm no Einstin about the creatures, but I know enough and will continue to learn. You've ALL MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR that housing them to gether is a VERY BAD THING. But I have yet to have an issue with it...as well as my friend form a reptile rescue unit here who has several different speices for several years, a few he keeps in housing of more then one such as his ball pythons. My best friend who has two balls of her own for one year now and has yet for any problems. A local breeder who keeps a few of her younger ones together and has for the past decade....
HUmmmm MAYBE there is some chance that you're conclusions and the conclusions of all the "experienced, proffessional" keepers out there could not apply to the whole phylum genus of the ball python.

by play together I mean "hang out", get use to wach others' smell/company. SOrry I didn't make that clear....

No offense or anything, but how would you like being squeezed into one room with two other people, having to share the same bed with them, the same bath, everything, and never being able to get out or leave?

Call it common courtesy, then, to get them their own cages.

If you aren't going to listen, I'm going to stop talking. Good luck in all your future endeavors.

I"ve looked aroudn the net and as well as asked other owners. I'm not one to jump into getting a snake or two in this situation and put them all together with out cause. I heard some good things and bad things.

I'm also looking through this forum...but at times it hard to get any good info on here cause everyone attacks eachother....I guess soem on here are a het of ball python of somethin lol

thanks

Ashley

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by play together I mean "hang out", get use to wach others' smell/company. SOrry I didn't make that clear....

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Ball Pythons do NOT get used to each other's company. They are SOLITARY creatures. They don't want to frollick or cuddle.

I've never seen so many users in one thread at the same time as what's showing now...

This is insane....lol

LOL, i thought the same thing.

Really well thank you so much!!!!!!

Have you ever seen a picture of a real pastel?

YOu need to get a life and stop looking for a fight. It's not quite healthy. I suggest you read up on that...Some oen who can't look after them selfves can't look after others

Yes I have. Anyother demeaning questions?

Why do people consider passonate advice as an attack? Most likely because the flaw with internet communication is that 'tone' and 'emotion' are kinda left out and all we see are words. Please quote the post that was an attack and it will be delt with.

I am staying out of this one to moderate. Ashley, please do not feel attacked :) Everyone is here to help I promise. If you feel otherwise let me know.

EVERYONE CALM IT DOWN OR THE THREAD WILL BE LOCKED. Please ;)

I think it's ok to put the same BREED in the same tank. While he had three different breeds in the one tank.
It's completely different form what I'm doing...k thanks

I just felt bad for her because someone decieved her and sold her a pair of normal ball pythons under the pretext of one being a pastel, thats all. She seemed to think that I was bashing her....

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But with the "experienceed" keepers out there who have said its' ok to keep them together I think they'll be fine...Get that?

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I think "experienced keepers" can be a loaded term. I once met a 15 year old that owned a ball python for 2 weeks that felt he was the next Steve Irwin.

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I THINK!! MY OWN OPINION.

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And if it was your OPINION that your ball pythons should eat carrots, I'd try and talk you out of that one too. Just because you've formed an opinion based on what other people with varying levels of experience have told you or what you've read from outdated care sheets on the internet doesn't mean that is what is best for your animals. No one here is telling you this stuff because they feel like messing with you, they are only trying to help.

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Which isn't worth much on here it seem unless I am a "experienced" breeder or keeper.

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It's sad that you don't take what is being said here as the help that it is. Being open to new ideas and views can only help your snakes.

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Sure I'm no Einstin about the creatures, but I know enough and will continue to learn.

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What makes you think that you know "enough"? These are animals that can live for 30 years, keeping them alive for a couple of weeks is trivial compared to providing the conditions necessary to ensure their long term health and survival.

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You've ALL MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR that housing them to gether is a VERY BAD THING. But I have yet to have an issue with it

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Of course not, it's only been a couple of weeks ... that timeframe is NOTHING to a ball python ... stress is something that will build up over time ... months ... years ... your snakes will suffer from your housing choice.

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...as well as my friend form a reptile rescue unit here who has several different speices for several years, a few he keeps in housing of more then one such as his ball pythons.

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If your friend advocates housing multiple reptiles in the same enclosure than I would have a problem with that advice. Some pet stores and rescues are often crunched for space and often housing multiple in the same enclosure for that reason. It doesn't make it right.

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My best friend who has two balls of her own for one year now and has yet for any problems.

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How do you know? The snakes could be under weight for their age, lethargic, be suffering the early signs of a respiratory infection ... these are all things that a new snake owner would never be able to identify. Being new to the hobby and having lost one snake already, are you really the best person to judge whether or not a snake is "fine"?

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A local breeder who keeps a few of her younger ones together and has for the past decade....

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Everyone does things different ... I once saw a dog trainer kick his dog out of anger, does that mean I'm going to kick mine? ... NO WAY ... How many is "a few"? Does she keep all of her ball pythons in the same cage? Wonder why not ... hmmmm.

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HUmmmm MAYBE there is some chance that you're conclusions and the conclusions of all the "experienced, proffessional" keepers out there could not apply to the whole phylum genus of the ball python.

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Python regius is the genus and species for the snake commonly known as the "ball python" or the "royal python" ... but I digress .... Hummmm MAYBE, "experienced, professional" breeders that are keeping thousands of ball pythons in captive collections and making hundreds of thousands of dollars every year reproducing these animals know something that a 19 year old with a couple of snakes in a glass tank does not? Just maybe.

-adam

We are not bashing you. If I sounded harsh in my posts, I apologize. We only care about the well being of your snakes and we can get quite passionate on the subject. Once again my apologies for sounding harsh :hug:

I consider it an attack when people post information starting like:

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No offense or anything, but how would you like being squeezed into one room with two other people, having to share the same bed with them, the same bath, everything, and never being able to get out or leave?

Call it common courtesy, then, to get them their own cages.

If you aren't going to listen, I'm going to stop talking. Good luck in all your future endeavors.

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is posted in a demeaning way.

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No one is flaming you, just trying to prevent an accident and do what's best for the animals involved.

(DISCLAIMER: I'm about to use someone else's saying here, just in a different way... no offense implied)

Hey Ashley... I have a German Shepherd Dog. She's about 10 months old, and once a day, I let her have a 1/2 cup of water, and I feed her two cups of Science Diet every other day. Sure, she's a little slim, but she doesn't need all kinds of muscles and fat build up on her because she spends about 20 to 22 hours a day locked up in her crate, or chained up outside. She seems really happy and she gets really excited when I let her out of her crate or when someone winds up petting her. We try to walk her at least once a month or so, whether she needs it or not. I figure, Science Diet is a great food that vets recommend, so I must be doing everything right!

Oh, I forgot to mention that she has tics covering her from snout to tail, but she seems to get along with them just fine. She even plays with them every once in a while. Scratching them off.... who would ever think that, she's just petting them!!

(Other DISCLAIMER: Of course I would never do this to any living animal, and if I ever asked for anyone's advice, or had it volunteered to me, I would always take it, even if I didn't agree with it, and not argue with the new "friends" I was trying to make by saying "This is what I've always done, and I'm gonna keep on doin it, so don't try to stop me!")

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Didn't have to be posted, I'm not keeping them in a enclosure jstu big enough to house their body

I thought I'd like this site, but there's a good way to give info and opinions then there are childish ways such as the ones above...

I mean one guy even wanted to start somethine with ANOTHER POSTER!

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Ball pythons don't "play together". Sorry about that.

-adam

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If people can't share their knowledge in a positive mannor. I doubt this forum is as "experienced" as they say.

I actually have no problem with you're comments iceman25. You give them with a strong sence of value and knowledge, but in a nice way. Much appreciated

Thanks so much

Ashley

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I mean one guy even wanted to start somethine with ANOTHER POSTER!

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How exactly is sharing what I know "starting something"?

The purpose of internet forums is communication ... that's what we do here ... sometimes you might like what is posted and something you might not ... but the cool thing about it is that everyone gets to say what's on their brain.

Just because you don't like hearing the thoughts that your comments provoked in other peoples brains doesn't mean that anyone is "starting" with you.

-adam

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I"ve looked aroudn the net and as well as asked other owners. I'm not one to jump into getting a snake or two in this situation and put them all together with out cause. I heard some good things and bad things.

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Let's try this from another direction ...

Since you don't agree with what everyone here has posted and you have your own opinions, what are the benefits of keeping multiple species in the same enclosure as you understand them?

Maybe that will help everyone understand better?

-adam