Caesar progression thread.

Well it might just be me but since his shed, Caesar seems to be changing colors. He's starting to develop the white head like I've seen on a lot of tigers. pretty excited.
Before shedhttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...687cab_z_d.jpghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...50d2f6_z_d.jpg


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You can see below his nostril and back to under his eye is starting to turn white and the top of head is starting to go white too. Gonna be hot if his head turns white and he keeps the orange stripe down his back.

He's a good looking boy, I think that you made an awesome pick. I bet he will be a real stunner as gets older. :)

Absolutely gorgeous. [emoji108][emoji216][emoji95]


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Beautiful snake. I love the albinos.

Looking great. 😎

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Terrific looking reptile Sau! Great job you are doing with him. :gj:

Looking great Sauzo. I want a new critter NOW! I'm torn between the SD retic, a boa, or another carpet.

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Looking great Sauzo. I want a new critter NOW! I'm torn between the SD retic, a boa, or another carpet.

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Thanks. You know, I love my boas but honestly the retic and especially Angry Allie the JCP keep me on my toes lol.

so beautiful!


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How many sheds have you had since getting him? Just one for my fella. I thought the last feed would put Wallace in blue but no go so far.

Your boy looks great and will only get more colorful.

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How many sheds have you had since getting him? Just one for my fella. I thought the last feed would put Wallace in blue but no go so far.

Your boy looks great and will only get more colorful.

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Thanks. He's only had 1 shed too but I've only had him a little over 2 weeks so i'm going to guess he's going to shed soon. He is growing like a weed though being fed 2 adult mice every 4-5 days. He was stretched out in his cage last night and he is probably close to 4' now and his turds are close to 5" lol. He is an eating and pooping machine lol.

Such fast growth from such relatively small snakes! Phyllis has been shedding about every 3-4 weeks like clockwork. I imagine she'll go blue this week sometime. She's usually in blue for 4-5 days and sheds the 5th day. It was every 3 weeks as a hatchling and would shed about 3-4 days after turning blue.


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Yeah Caesar sheds pretty fast too. After blue, he sheds within a day or 2. Had to clean his cage since he dropped a monster deuce and piss the aspen soaked up lol. Put him in his little tub with a hide and he enjoyed watching me lol. Then after I was done, I picked him up and he looked around on me a little and then curled up under my hand and went to sleep. I'm acyually typing this while he is sleeping on me lol. So far he is rivaling my boas on mellowness.

Here's some new pictures of Caesar after lights went out and he decided it was time to use the shelf lol.https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...026ffb_z_d.jpghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...a150ed_z_d.jpg
He's getting so big.

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Here's some new pictures of Caesar after lights went out and he decided it was time to use the shelf lol.https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...026ffb_z_d.jpghttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...a150ed_z_d.jpg
He's getting so big.

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Looks like I missed this one.

He looks great and sounds like my guy. I'm rather pleased with the ease of handling so far. I'm always ready for him to snap, but that is just because he's new and I'm not used to him.

I'm glad you have a male and I like his name. I've said this before, but I'll repeat it. I'm very happy to see a group of us that all have SD, or SD/Dwarf crosses that were acquired at roughly the same time.

My guy is still in quarantine and I don't have a real cage for him like your nice AP cage. I suspect I'll let him take the Pro-Line from the royal for a bit and then get my Monster Cages big boy cage this spring or summer.

If these guys/girls see 9 or 10 feet we'll have a lot of snake to handle.

They are much, much different than anything I've ever worked with.

Caesar looks very well adjusted in his new cage.

Lol yeah. I poached this AP cage from Dottie. I feel bad as I swear she misses her shelf. She was always trying to climb the back wall but I think now she realizes its gone so now she stares out of the front lol. I'll have to either pick her up as well as Luna and Allison 3 T10s or just order T25s for the 2 boas and retic and then just move the other 3 into the T10s. Just the T25s loaded with all options I want plus shipping are a killer. For less than half the price and much faster timewise, I can just order 3 more loaded T10s.

And yeah Caesar only got angry once and that when I tried to use a small pvc tube to wake him up and kind of scoot him forward to pick him up. He really didn't like that and actually hissed lol. So I have since switched and just a twisted up paper towel to rub on his head and neck to let him know i'm there and he is much more relaxed with that lol. He's never struck at me. He has struck at his rats and mice like crazy lol. He really likes to eat. Got all excited last feeding and ate the weaned rat butt first.

I have no idea really how big this guy is going to grow. Kris said 5-7' with normal feedings. I have also heard the first 2 years are when they really grow so I guess we'll see when he hits 1 year old. So far, he's almost 4'.

Yeah get a Monster cage so I can bug you on how good they are lol. And make sure to get a shelf. I'm sure your guy would love one as much as Caesar loves his lol. When hes not busying sitting in his nest on top of the flexwatt, he's usually up on the shelf relaxing.

I agree that it will be fascinating to see how all these SD’s will turn out. You are doing service to people who are interested in them.

I would like to do more service by getting a SD/D pied retic but I guess they haven't been made yet :(

Back tracking a bit.

I agree they shed fast once blue, or at least when I notice it.

Seemed to be much faster than any of my other species here.

Nice guy! All you people with your SD crosses...you're going to make it so hard to ignore them. :/ I can't house a bunch of standard-sized retics but I could house a bunch of retics 12' or under...of course, not in this trailer as I'm near capacity in my allotted rooms, but we'll eventually get a nice sized house. :P

River loves her shelf, too! She comes out to bask under the heat panel all the time, and now that she's outgrown her hides that's where she spends most of her time.

As far as shedding, she takes about the same time as my other snakes (1-2 weeks). She moves through her blue phases a tad quicker, but takes a lot longer to actually get to her blue phase. I generally track shedding time from the very first sign of shed. She starts hiding out of sight around day 4-6 of her shed cycle and takes about that long to go blue, that's the best way to tell she's going to shed if I'm doubting my eyes. If she's shedding, she won't come and greet me, and she gets less and less enthusiastic about leaving her hideaways each day until she completely stops coming out.

Lol yeah i'd like to get another but my next one I really wanted was a SD/D pied tiger retic but I guess they haven't been made yet. I might have to suck it up and try and find a small parents male one as I don't want a 14' snake lol.

Well I think Caesar has outgrown weaned rats already. Guess the little man needs small rats now. He is growing like a monster lol. I got him Oct 10 and when I got him, an adult mouse made a sizeable lump in him, now weaned rats barely do anything and he's going into his 2nd shed in a month.
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And here's him doing the ritual butt sniffing that he loves to do with his food lol
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Oh yeah, he could take at least a small rat no problem. Love the paint job on your guy!


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Well I think Caesar has outgrown weaned rats already. Guess the little man needs small rats now. He is growing like a monster lol. I got him Oct 10 and when I got him, an adult mouse made a sizeable lump in him, now weaned rats barely do anything and he's going into his 2nd shed in a month.
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And here's him doing the ritual butt sniffing that he loves to do with his food lol
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Beautiful snake!

He is only going to improve with age. A friend of mine who is very, very familiar with the species says it is one that improves with age rather than fades. His head looks pretty thick and square too.

Caesar will have zero issues with small rats.

Pythons seem to fair quite well with large prey items within reason.

Thanks. Yeah I love this little man lol. He has definitely filled out since I got him. Kris said pack him with a little food to fill him out and he was right, this little guy has gotten the "retic head" and has thickened up nicely. His head is wrinkly though as he's ready to shed so after he does, i'll put up some fresh shed pics of him lol.

And yeah, he should easily eat smalls now. Like I said, when I got him, he was probably 2.5-3' and small rats just seems a little big for him but now, he's almost 4' and eats weaned rats butt first easily lol.

Here's a couple pics of him with no flash. Not very clear lol.
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Ok wtf lol. So in the pictures above, I gave Caesar weaned rats and he was clearly too big for them. So fat forward a week or so and Caesar shed today. Well he went bananas as I was cleaning his huge turd and taking his shed skin out and he wanted food NOW!! So I go get him a small rat and wtf!! It now looks like small rats are too small for him!! This guy is a monster lol. He just eats, poops and grows. It might be time for small mediums or 2 smalls. :O
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Kind of hard to see but there pretty much isn't even a lump and he just ate it and is crawling off...
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I think that looks just fine. I guess it all depends on what you want his final size to be. From everything I've been told and read, early, frequent feedings will result in accelerated growth and larger adult size.

I'm staying with smalls and a 7-10 day interval but I'm looking to stay 9 feet or under.

Caesar seems to have a zest for chowing down. Wallace eats but never goes crazy, at least not yet.

He looks great bud! You definitely got yourself a winner there!!

Thanks man. Yeah I might just try the one smalls and see how he acts. If its like today, he might need more or I might need a hook lol. He is definitely not shy. When I walked in the room, he immediately poked his head up over his hide and came forward lol. Then when he saw nothing yet, he went back and sat with his head on top of the hide. Then when I opened the door after the rat was thawed and removed his warm hide, he again came shooting forward following the hide lol all the way up to the door opening. I kind of had to push his face back while using the hide as a shield/battering ram lol. And when he finally saw the rat, it was game over. He went gung ho and grabbed it and wrapped it. The pictures are of him after holding it a few mins lol.

And yeah I kind of want him to stay under 10' but I don't want to underfeed him to achieve it, not saying you are but you know what I mean.

Lol sounds just like Phyllis! Eating, pooping, growing machine. Just like you said about Caesar's feeding response, she's not shy about food in the slightest either. Comes rushing to the cage door as soon as the key is in the door lock. I'd say as long as he isn't pushing at the cage and seems otherwise content those smalls are probably fine. I dropped Phyllis's temps a bit and I think that calmed her down some. She still managed to cook down a legit medium rat in about 4 days though. Keeping her at a 7 day interval and monitoring her pushing tendencies. Seems to be keeping her in check. Caesar looks even brighter than the last pics you posted! I know you said he's fresh shed but dang... He's going to look amazing as an adult!


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Thanks. Yeah he does seem to be getting brighter. He also is getting an attitude lol. When he wants food, he isn't shy about letting me know lol. When he was in shed, he was an angel. Now that he is out of shed, he's a terror lol. Think i'm going to drop him down to 7 days too.

Even my little dumerils is growing like a weed lol. She shed last night too and I went to go feed her and she is up to small adult mice from her hoppers when I got her. Everyone is all growing up :tears: lol.

And I definitely recommend the hook idea. I hook trained Phyllis from day one and it has been a tremendous help in dealing with her when she gets too excited about the doors opening lol. A light tap and a gentle rub on her back and she chills out pretty quickly.


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Yeah think I'm going to order a hook lol. Caesar lured me into a false sense of mellowness since he was in shed for a couple weeks. Now that he is more comfortable with the housing and me, he isn't shy about me at all. If he wants food, he comes straight at me and looks at me lol. I'm imagining a little air quote over his head of "you know, human, if I was bigger, you would be dinner"

Not the same puppy dog anymore huh Sauzo? Lol.. I was wondering if that would last... still an amazing snake though. I wish I had him. Caesar is one of my faves of the big guys on this site...

I know it's not the same thing, but Hulk, my adult Brooks king has always had a voracious appetite, but I switched him to small weaned rats a couple of weeks ago. And dang. He comes RUSHING up to the top now. Only on feeding days though. He knows the difference between dad cleaning up and dad feeding. ... and yes, I know he doesn't view me as his dad lol


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Lol yeah, he's not the laid back lounger anymore. I think it might have been because of his shed lol. He loves to cruise around. He was all over me today when I had him out. he sat down on my arm for about 5 mins and then round 2 of running all over my shoulders, arms, down my leg, trying to get on the computer table, trying to get into the other snakes cages lol.

And thanks. I love Caesar. He is so interactive. He literally watches me from over top of his hides lol. And yeah, Caesar was all over the door when it opened and he smelled rat lol. I'm hoping maybe it was just that last week I gave him a weaned rat so maybe he was just extra hungry today...lets hope so or I am going to be getting full useage of the glass sliding door as a shield lol.

Beautiful !!

What morph ?

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Beautiful !!

What morph ?

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He's a white albino tiger. Right Sauzo? Lol


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Yeah, he's a white phase albino tiger 50% het snow.

Yeah River also explodes in growth after sheds. I've literally seen her grow half a foot between the beginning of a shed cycles and after shedding. It's like once she loses that skin her body bounces out. Haha


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Yeah River also explodes in growth after sheds. I've literally seen her grow half a foot between the beginning of a shed cycles and after shedding. It's like once she loses that skin her body bounces out. Haha


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Lol yup. Kind of funny cause when I got him on Oct 10th, a small rat let a huge lump in him. Now just over a month later, a small rat barely even leave a lump. And I think he's still hungry cause he keeps popping his head out over the top of his hide or the side of his hide when I walk by. It's like he is hoping the rat god delivers more lol. I don't think he is going to last 7 days on this small rat.

Awesome retic sauzo. He makes me think about my albino clown and how her colors will change.

Caesar playing peekaboo hoping I have dinner for him lol.
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Yeah think I'm going to order a hook lol. Caesar lured me into a false sense of mellowness since he was in shed for a couple weeks. Now that he is more comfortable with the housing and me, he isn't shy about me at all. If he wants food, he comes straight at me and looks at me lol. I'm imagining a little air quote over his head of "you know, human, if I was bigger, you would be dinner"

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LOL!! My little boa, the one i let slither across my 4-year-old's face, has a terrifying food "switch" that gets flipped the second a rat is in the room. His food response is like Fred Flintstone gambling.

https://youtu.be/N57SxyxUhTQ

Lol. Yeah Vicky loves food too. She almost took a shot at the camera when I was taking pictures of her tonight. I knew she was loading up as she cocked her body and flicked her tongue fast. And then there is the tell tale sign with her, her pupils get really huge and being sunglow, you can see them easily. her whole eye turns bright red and then she fires like a cannon haha.

Just snapped this one while I was typing. Here he is getting more forward about where dinner is lol.
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Here's a couple more of Caesar upset about the 7 day feeding schedule vs the 4 day feeding schedule lol.
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Ok since nothing new is happening here, here is a picture of Caesar on his shelf waiting for dinner.......again.
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Lol Caesar wondering where food is. I missed the shot of him standing up like a cobra when I walked by his cage. This is the after effect as I went to grab the camera, he decided dinner wasn't coming so he back pedaled into the hide again lol. He wasn't tricked into thinking the camera was dinner lol.
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Caesar is coming along nicely Sauzo! He's a very handsome critter. ;)

You've utterly disappointed him Sauzo, how could you?

Lol River does that, too. "Food? Where food?"

*No food*

*Lays head on ground or nearby object and lays there, maybe twitching in excitement at movement but always being disappointed*

We can only be glad they're not following Demigod's example and latching onto limbs every time you open the tank (ok maybe not every time but I feed him literally as much as he will eat and it doesn't help and it's been 1.5 years).


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Caesar is coming along nicely Sauzo! He's a very handsome critter. ;)

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Thanks. He's also getting much more bold as he comes along too lol.