Help! Urgent..

I went to check on my female normal who's my first ball and my favorite and found her like this..
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Is this ovulation?! I'm freaking out.. Is she impacted?

Vet asap, she looks way too small for ovulation.

I have her scheduled. The earliest she can get in is Tuesday :/

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Originally Posted by Derekroth91

I have her scheduled. The earliest she can get in is Tuesday :/

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Any emergency vets near you that deal with exotics? Sorry bro but that pic makes me freak out for you.

x2. I just have this really terrible gut feeling that Tuesday will be too late.

I can't offer any help, I just hope she's okay for you.

did she get loose? is there anything missing from her enclosure that she may have eaten?
any emergency vets in the area who can x-ray her or do an ultrasound?
scary
good luck

I did some research and it looks like hard belly. Maybe someone more experienced can help, but from what I've read if that is what it is, then you will have to massage it out. Downsides it can split the belly and you will either have to sew wounds and belly shut or kill it. Like I said wait for someone more experienced, but that looks like hard belly. Is the belly hard?

It's not exactly hard. It kind of feels like she's filled with air? She hasn't gotten out and her husbandry is spot on. Basking 89 cool side 81 60 % humidity give or take. I'm so scared for her. She's the one that started my addiction.
There aren't any emergency vets that deal with exotics of any kind.
What could I have done wrong?? :(

Well if its hard belly absolutely nothing you did wrong. So it feels like a full balloon?

Does the snakes cloaca protrude when you apply any pressure?

Hard bellies come from when a hatchling doesn't absorb yolk properly or it hardens in their gut. I don't think it's possible for a subadult or adult to get it. It looks like it's in the region of her stomach. When was the last time she ate?

If it feels like air, she may have a blocked intestine, and whatever she's eaten is rotting and causing gas to build up.

Just a guess, because of course, I'm not a vet and I'm not there.

What would make you think of ovulation?

Good luck, please keep us posted.

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Originally Posted by Inarikins

Hard bellies come from when a hatchling doesn't absorb yolk properly or it hardens in their gut. I don't think it's possible for a subadult or adult to get it. It looks like it's in the region of her stomach. When was the last time she ate?

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True but the snake looks small and I was never given a weight or age. Just saying from what I know and see. Although I'm not a vet either so I could be WAY off.

Hard belly babies generally don't make it very long at all because of the blockage, I think a month or so. From the pic, she looks too large for it to be that.

I'm sorry but id call the vet back and tell them it's an emergency and that she needs to be seen NOW.

I agree that it looks like gas buildup from a decomposing meal. Praying for your baby and that you can get her in sooner.

I wouldn't wait until Tuesday, that may be too late. I have never seen or experienced that, but if that's something bound up and blocked, it has nowhere to go... I hope she's ok.

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Details on the last meal?

That doesn't look good. Good luck :confusd:

A couple of questions...

When did she eat?
What size prey did she eat?

If possible, get her into a vet, herp or not. They can x-ray her belly and see if it is gas or some other blockage. Even a vet who does not know exotics should be able to read the x-ray or email a picture of it to a specialist who does elsewhere. If the vet you use doesn't know one, contact one of the veterinary colleges and see if they can assist. Most of them will have a herp vet they can call. If it is trapped gas, I would expect that she'd regurge the bad meal however, if not, your vet can use a french tube inserted as if for tube feeding to release it until more can be done by someone who's experienced.

First thing is first... find out what it is with an x-ray and go from there.

I'm hoping the silence from the OP means there has been a vet visit...I'm crossing my fingers. PLEASE KEEP US POSTED.

Crypto can also cause that appearance in later stages.

umm, best scenario would be one of these incredibly loud farts that were discussed in another thread a while back.

im referring to this one: http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...loud-poop-fart

lets hope its just gas forming from the last meal in combination with constipation. but please keep us updated.

I got a different vet to see me today. She was being a picky eater for the last two and a half weeks. She's 280 grams three weeks ago. I got her to eat a live weanling which wasn't a fit size for her but I thought offering a smaller meal might help her take it. She's only 285 now so it couldn't have been her eating something. Just air?

I was hoping ovulation cause I know it can make there stomach look like they ate a huge meal. And she hasn't soo..

She's about ten months old

The cloaca expose itself when I apply pressure as if I was about to pop her.

Sorry for the late response :/ been super busy this weekend

That's not ovulation. Ovulation is pretty much the lower half/third of their body and she's much too young anyways. That looks like something's gone wrong in her stomach or intestines.

I think you need to call your vet back...or better yet just show up...and explain that this IS AN EMERGENCY!

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Originally Posted by Derekroth91

I got a different vet to see me today.

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So what did the vet say?

So I just got back from the vet. He took x rays and there was a very dense poop blocking up her intestines causing lots of gas to build up. He gave me some kind of oil to give her orally, wait 20 minutes, give it to her again, and then give her a long warm soak.
He said this should loosen her up and get things going.

This is what he told me to do

keep us posted, that sounds pretty crazy. i hope it passes quick and doesn't cause her any harm :C

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Originally Posted by skirtinthedirt

Crypto can also cause that appearance in later stages.

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Yes. My first thought. Rule out impaction. If its not impacted, your vet MUST do a PCR test for crypto. Might as well rule that out right off the bat. Or try to, anyways. I believe you need 5 negative tests to be declared crypto free.

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Originally Posted by Derekroth91

So I just got back from the vet. He took x rays and there was a very dense poop blocking up her intestines causing lots of gas to build up. He gave me some kind of oil to give her orally, wait 20 minutes, give it to her again, and then give her a long warm soak.
He said this should loosen her up and get things going.

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Is he a herp vet?

Yes he is a herp vet.

Ok good. Did he mention anything about crypto? It causes the walls of the stomach to become inflamed and it looks just like that.

Not trying to scare you, it's just that I've come across an alarming amount of snake breeders lately who have no idea what crypto is, or have never even heard of crypto, or how it can completely devastate an entire collection.

Can you educate me? He said something about crypto but I can't really remember what. I was a bit panicked. Is it contagious?

Yes it is incredibly contagious. That snake needs to be quarantined, preferably in a separate house if at all possible until you can rule it out completely. Do not buy or sell anything until you are certain it is not crypto. It really can and will wipe out entire collections.

It can also be completely asymptomatic so if you have a snake not displaying symptoms, but carrying it, and then you sell that snake, you could be infecting someone else's collection. If the vet mentioned crypto, that is a good thing because it means they might actually know what they're talking about.

Pretty much read everything here:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=crypt...ient=firefox-a

Honestly if the vet had even the slightest suspicion of crypto, I don't have any idea why he would mess around with oil.

The snake should be tested for crypto right away.

Have you brought in any new additions lately? Is that particular snake a new addition? Has that snake been in contact with any other snakes? (Same cage? Even for just one minute?) Do you have or breed colubrids? have any of your other snakes had any weird symptoms, such as regurgitation, refusal to feed, weight loss, or really runny poos with not much solid matter?

Here are some threads outlining one corn snake breeders fight with crypto. Even if your snake does indeed just have some sort of blockage, I think a lot of people simply have no idea what crypto is. So I will post these here for anybody's future reference:


Conclusion of full-collection Crypto Testing

The Crypto Truth

Crypto Facts& personal take on things

"Epilogue"

I haven't brought any new snakes in. The poo came out and she had a quite a long fart and looks normal again. He was talking about the tests for crypto so I asked an he tested for it three times

I do not keep or breed any colubrids.

I have never heard of it before. I'm really glad you brought this to my attention. Is there anyway to help prevent it? Or cure it? Or are you screwed if you get it

Don't answer those questions ^^

That's good that he passed whatever was in, and I'm glad that you're educated about crypto now!

Thing is with the testing you can't test 3 times in a day, it has to be done over several months or weeks.

If your snake passed a big poo and some gas then it's likely not crypto, and like I said I'm really glad your vet is competent enough to know what it is.

Even with your snake passing poop though, I would be wondering what caused the poop to back up in the first place. Was there anything strange in the snakes poop?

It looked normal. A bit much from a snake her size but normal as far as the actual poop goes it looked like any other day she decided to "go".

I can't thank you enough for telling me about crypto. I learned from reading those links. I hope others can learn from it as well.

Something I am thinking is maybe check your temps? How about hides and setup? Humidity? Perhaps something with digestion was messed up from environmental factors.

Ambient is 82 hot spot is 91 and I use old shirts on both sides for hides. Humidity never gets below 50

Wait..
Shirts? :/ erm..

They seem to love them :p haha. It works for me.

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Originally Posted by Derekroth91

They seem to love them :p haha. It works for me.

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can you post a picture of this? Most of us don't consider shirts to be good hides...

Why not?

Have you ever put a snake on your bed, with a pile of laundry near? 99% of the time I bet they crawl into the pile of laundry, haha.

I honestly don't think using a shirt as a hide had anything to do with this incident.

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Originally Posted by SquamishSerpents

Why not?

Have you ever put a snake on your bed, with a pile of laundry near? 99% of the time I bet they crawl into the pile of laundry, haha.

I honestly don't think using a shirt as a hide had anything to do with this incident.

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Snakes, in laundry??? :p

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/20/qu3e8aze.jpg

Op, glad your snake is ok. I wonder what the cause was?

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I guess that came out wrong...using shirts is not the conventional thing. I'm more curious to see it than anything. xD