Blue eyed VS Black eyed leucistic

I am just fascinated by lucy's and i was wandering which preference you guys had... i am planing to do some breeding in the future, and it would be nice to get some opinions.

I prefer Black-Eyed. They look a lot cooler to me. If BELs had very bright blue eyes say like a Husky does, then I'd probably like the BELs a lot better.

I would pick a BEL. There's just something great about a white snake with dark blue eyes. Lesser x Butter, Lesser x Lesser or Butter x Butter should give you some great looking BEL snakes.

Blue for me:D
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...2009bel144.jpg

But if you're looking for a great white snake - then go for a snow. ;)

I personally like the Blue Eyed Lucys best - I've always been a huge sucker for white animals with blue eyes. I used to specialize in breeding 7 breeds of BEW (blue eyed white) rabbits, and I've kept other BEW animals. I just love them! I really hope to have a BEL someday :)

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

But if you're looking for a great white snake - then go for a snow. ;)

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Except snows are not white when they are adults.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Except snows are not white when they are adults.

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It depends on what line of axanthic. I'm the proud owner of a snow (VPI) that is pretty white and only have a faint yellow pattern.

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

It depends on what line of axanthic. I'm the proud owner of a snow (VPI) that is pretty white and only have a faint yellow pattern.

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Do you have any pics? Any I have seen have just looked pretty much like faded albino's as adults. I would love to see a nice one.

Dudes, spread the love. Everybody's got to love somebody. Blues or blacks are both good looking snakes. I would love to have either one given to me.

Any takers? ;)
Jim Smith

Until there is a brown eyed lucy I will have no preference.

I like the look of black eyeds better but i like genetic possibility of a blue eyed and the morphs that go into them better i guess ill go with blue eyed then... :)

I like them both, however I want the blue eyes for a bright white animal, but I hope my black eyes turn out with a lot of yellow blotching.

I like both but prefer the blue eyed lucy.

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Originally Posted by hock3ymonk3y

i like the look of black eyeds better but i like genetic possibility of a blue eyed and the morphs that go into them better i guess ill go with blue eyed then... :)

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I have both, a Super Sulfur and Super Mojave, and think they are both cool in their own way.

Super Mojave-this snake was from a two egg clutch, from a Sulfur Mojave x Sulfur Mojave breeding, so she could have Sulfur in her. She has the dark head, and some nice yellow coloring to her. The blue eyes are definetly a cool look.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r.../Lucy057-1.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP2853.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP2864.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP2863.jpg

Super Sulfur-from a nice clutch from a Sulfur Mojave x Sulfur female, so she could be a Super Sulfur Mojave. I know this is not the textbook Black eyed Lucy, but I think the orange splotches give them character. I like the black eyes with the red iris.

I know you are probably tired of seeing her pic, so will only post one:)

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP3313.jpg


Dave

I haven't had a ball in years, but am about to purchase a blue eyed leucy male baby. I joined here to research the seller. Where do I go to do that?

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

I know you are probably tired of seeing her pic, so will only post one:)

Dave

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As far as I'm concerned, you can post these pictures as often as you like. They are some very nice looking snakes.:banana::banana::banana:

Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

As far as I'm concerned, you can post these pictures as often as you like. They are some very nice looking snakes.:banana::banana::banana:

Jim Smith

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No kidding.

First time I've seen those pictures and that black eyed lucy/pied-hybrid-looking-ball is amazing. Gives them SOME character is the least you could say!

David, you can type in Extreme Super Sulfur into the search key, and you can find a thread with a TON of pics...

Thanks Jim.

Dave

@emberball--that last one is GORGEOUS! I don't think anyone would tire of pics.

As long as they are pure white the eye color doesn't matter much to me. Many I see look dirty white and aren't appealing at all.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Do you have any pics? Any I have seen have just looked pretty much like faded albino's as adults. I would love to see a nice one.

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I honestly don't know how to post photos on this forum. :oops: I do have a photo of my snow (taken by the breeder), and I've got a written permission to use it.

It depends on the line of axanthic used. Joliff and TSK produces a snow that looks like a faded albino. I can't wait to see how the Black Axanthic line will affect the snow.

Hi,

Well the first thing is to get them hosted somewhere online.

You can put them in your gallery here - this tutorial is a bit old but the basic procedure is the same I think.

And here is another one in video form that might also help.

You can also use a site like http://photobucket.com/

They should also have tutorials to help you.

If you still have trouble just ask any member of staff and we will do our best to get you sorted. :gj:


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,

Well the first thing is to get them hosted somewhere online.

You can put them in your gallery here - this tutorial is a bit old but the basic procedure is the same I think.

And here is another one in video form that might also help.

You can also use a site like http://photobucket.com/

They should also have tutorials to help you.

If you still have trouble just ask any member of staff and we will do our best to get you sorted. :gj:


dr del

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Thanks for the advice. :)

I think that I managed to upload a photo of my little gemstone. I love my snow! Here's a link that should show a photo of my snow.:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...hp?i=28822&c=3

She has turned more white since then.

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

Thanks for the advice. :)

I think that I managed to upload a photo of my little gemstone. I love my snow! Here's a link that should show a photo of my snow.:

http://www.ball-pythons.net/gallery/...hp?i=28822&c=3

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Beautiful python.



If you copy and paste the BB Image Code that starts with [img] the picture will show up without having to click a link. Makes it easier for viewers and doesn't take any extra effort.

Like so:


https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...ioopiiloju.jpg

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Originally Posted by bluebamboogirl

I haven't had a ball in years, but am about to purchase a blue eyed leucy male baby. I joined here to research the seller. Where do I go to do that?

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http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/f...splay.php?f=90
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...splay.php?f=13

The search function is on the right hand side of the banner towards the top of the screen. Good luck.

Black for me personally. So much cleaner (IMO) and so much more to play with.

Has anyone ever bred or heard of breeding Leucistic to Leucistic and what the outcome is? I was looking around and haven't seen any. Has anyone ever done it?

A black Eyed lucy will produce all Fires or Sulfurs if it is not bred to another Het Black Eyed Lucy. A Super Mojave will produce all Mojaves, so breed the two snakes I posted pics of back on page like 2, and you get all Sulfur Mojaves.

When you mix a Black Eyed Lucy with a Super Blue eyed from a Mojave x Lesser, it gets more complicated:)

Dave

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Originally Posted by pfan151

Except snows are not white when they are adults.

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Yeah IMO snows cant even be compared, only the cleanest have no pattern and I dont care for pink/ red eyes....... next!

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Originally Posted by MarkS

I like them both, however I want the blue eyes for a bright white animal, but I hope my black eyes turn out with a lot of yellow blotching.

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Totally agree, if both a black eye and a blue eye are pure white i choose blue any day f the week but..... If the black eye has alot of sweet looking yellow sloptching/ stripes then its much harder to choose.

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

I have both, a Super Sulfur and Super Mojave, and think they are both cool in their own way.

Super Mojave-this snake was from a two egg clutch, from a Sulfur Mojave x Sulfur Mojave breeding, so she could have Sulfur in her. She has the dark head, and some nice yellow coloring to her. The blue eyes are definetly a cool look.

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r.../Lucy057-1.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP2853.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP2864.jpg

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP2863.jpg

Super Sulfur-from a nice clutch from a Sulfur Mojave x Sulfur female, so she could be a Super Sulfur Mojave. I know this is not the textbook Black eyed Lucy, but I think the orange splotches give them character. I like the black eyes with the red iris.

I know you are probably tired of seeing her pic, so will only post one:)

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP3313.jpg


Dave

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If I ever produce a blackEL I want it to look exactly like that, beautiful snake :gj:. Is that basically a random trait or is there any way to selectively breed fires for a better chance at producing ones with the splotching? IMO FAR better than a pied. I know this is a bit harsh but I think pieds are ugly as adults, too dark.

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Originally Posted by NatelovesBPs

Yeah IMO snows cant even be compared, only the cleanest have no pattern and I dont care for pink/ red eyes....... next!

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Not sure I understand what your saying, but snows aren't supposed to be patternless. That's why they are called snow. They are white on white.

Blue for me. Those blue eyes are just stunning!

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Originally Posted by EmberBall

I know you are probably tired of seeing her pic, so will only post one :)

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/r...l/IMGP3313.jpg
Dave

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Nope, I'll never get tired of this one. That is my all time favorite ball python in the world. :bow:

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Not sure I understand what your saying, but snows aren't supposed to be patternless. That's why they are called snow. They are white on white.

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I said this because snows got brought up in the post. For one they arent part of the lucy complex so they dont belong in the post. Two albino genes take away browns and blacks and axanthic genes remove yellows and browns, so theroetically it should be a pure white snake.... but its not. Thats why I said they cannot be compared because they are not white and because this post is about opinions, in my opinion they cant be compared because I dont like them. I dont care much for albinos as a base morph, I dont like axanthics at all as a base morph and I dont care for snows. Ohh and I dont like pink/ red eyes. Its my opinion and they just dont belong in this post.

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Originally Posted by TessadasExotics

Not sure I understand what your saying, but snows aren't supposed to be patternless. That's why they are called snow. They are white on white.

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And wouldnt white on white be considered patternless??? Or did you mean dirty white on light yellow???

I currently have blue eyed but Im working on making some black eyed super fires. I love all the lightest morphs and eye color doesnt really matter to me.

I heard there was a snake produced that was a blue AND black eyed lucy. Not sure what the eye colors turned out to be but heard it looked like a lucy that had icing drizzled on it. I've never seen pictures so I still don't know if it's true but if anybody has them or can confirm, I'd love to know.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._5811210_n.jpg

My favorite ;)

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Originally Posted by Ouroboros

But if you're looking for a great white snake - then go for a snow. ;)

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Agree 100% on that! IMO a snow is a 'proper' albino :)

I love all the white snakes they all have great breeding potential as well as just being beautiful animals.

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Originally Posted by ddiaz

Has anyone ever bred or heard of breeding Leucistic to Leucistic and what the outcome is? I was looking around and haven't seen any. Has anyone ever done it?

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I actually wonder the same ... :gj:

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Originally Posted by JibbaJabba

I actually wonder the same ... :gj:

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as its a recessive trait, leucistic to leucistic would make... all leucistics! as long as they are the same kind of leucy (blue eye, black eye, ivory etc)

I like the black, but would rather have a blue, as I like the mojave's better than fires. So I chose both. They're both AWESOME!

black just because they have a more intense and penetrating gaze.blues just look realy dopey when they look at you.just like husky.

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Originally Posted by Mike@OutbackReptiles

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._5811210_n.jpg

My favorite ;)

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What is it?

imo blue looks so pretty!:gj::snake: