Breeding/Genetics Questions!

Ok well. Ive got the snake fever. I keep looking at snakes id like to get and such. :rolleyes: I do that alot...
Anyway. One day I want to get a snow boa. female
Deffinatley want to get a snow, one day once I have more money and all that stuff and probably after I move out and go to college.
BUT I was thinking since I kinda want a boa to be my next snake that I could get a male (mainly because theyre smaller), and maby eventually breed it to that snow once I get her.

Well I was looking at the breeders site that I got my ball python from and they have a female snow (cant get it yet), but they also have males that are het albino and anery.

This is where the question starts. LOL.
I dont know about boa genetics but theres two things,

They have normal males that are 100% het albino, and 66% het anery

And they also have Summit pastel males that are 100% het albino and 50% het anery.


Would the het albino and anery x snow create snows, or help the anery and albino ratio? Or by how much. Basically im wondering what the result is for the two types of males.

Whats a good price for them?
Would it be worth it to pay more for a summit pastel? Im assuming that it cant really be used to make morphs unless someone wants hets? (clueless) but I like the pastel ones more then normal also...

oh yeah and what is the summit. is that what its called summit pastel, or is that a locality or something. I know that they do that on their site with surinam and nicaraguan boas.

Anyone?????????????????????? :confused:

If I were you and I was thinking of eventually breeding, my first boa would be a female. They need to be older and bigger than the males to have a successful breeding. I generally like my males to be at least a year younger and half the size of my females.

That said, I'd go with a DH or even a TH female, wait a year or two, and then get a snow or DH Snow male to pair with her. If you get a male now and then a female next year, you'll be playing catch up trying to get the female bigger than the male to breed successfully.

Summit LINE Pastel is a pastel trait "fine-tuned" by Summit Reptiles. It's their "line" of pastels. Pastel is coined a polygenic trait. It's not recessive or dominant, but selectively bred to look the way they wanted them to look. Very nice line to have in any collection. Other Pastel lines are Ronne, Aby, Peachy, EBV, etc.

Pastels will take any morph to a bigger and better level.

Hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by JimiSnakes

If I were you and I was thinking of eventually breeding, my first boa would be a female. They need to be older and bigger than the males to have a successful breeding. I generally like my males to be at least a year younger and half the size of my females.

That said, I'd go with a DH or even a TH female, wait a year or two, and then get a snow or DH Snow male to pair with her. If you get a male now and then a female next year, you'll be playing catch up trying to get the female bigger than the male to breed successfully.

Summit LINE Pastel is a pastel trait "fine-tuned" by Summit Reptiles. It's their "line" of pastels. Pastel is coined a polygenic trait. It's not recessive or dominant, but selectively bred to look the way they wanted them to look. Very nice line to have in any collection. Other Pastel lines are Ronne, Aby, Peachy, EBV, etc.

Pastels will take any morph to a bigger and better level.

Hope this helps.

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Thanks!
I just wanted to get a female snow since they get bigger and for a cool morph like that id like it to be the bigger snake, but it doesnt really matter.
Thanks for the summit thing I really didnt know what they were talking about..

Albino X Anery = Snow in the first generation.

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Originally Posted by Aeries

Albino X Anery = Snow in the first generation.

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So your saying an albino x anery (both with the appearance of the trait) will make snow.

I dont think that works, they're both recessive traits...

Taken from

http://www.kingsnake.com/boamorphs/snow.htm

"The Snow Boa is a result of the combination of two recessive traits, albinism and anerythrism, to create a new lineage of boa constrictor known as the snow boa. The first snow boa was produced during the 1996 breeding season by Pete Kahl. Pete started this project five years ago by breeding an albino male to an anerythristic female. Anerythristic boas do not produce red pigment in the skin, a condition similar to albinism in which no black pigment is produced. The offspring from this litter are normal in appearance, but are heterozygous gene carriers for two recessive traits, albinism and anerythrism. These offspring are commonly referred to as double hets or double heterozygous for snow. When these double hets are bred to each other, the resulting litter of babies will be comprised of four different color phases. On the average, 9/16 of the litter will appear normal, 3/16 will be albino, 3/16 will be anerythristic and 1/16 will be a beautiful snow boa. "

I would go with a female as your first boa. If you get the female now and raise her up, and maybe a year or two before she's ready, get your male, you won't have to wait for her to grow up to breed. By the time your male is ready, she'll be ready. If you go the other way and get a male first and raise him up and get a female later, you'll end up having to spend more time raising her up to be bigger. Females may be more expensive at first but you will be able to breed earlier.

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Originally Posted by Aeries

Albino X Anery = Snow in the first generation.

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Incorrect. Albino Het Anery x Anery Het Albino will, but albino x anery will not. It will produce ALL DH Anery and Albino normal-looking babies.

The BEST way to produce healthy and numerous snows is by Albino Het Anery x Anery Het Albino from 2 different breeders.

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

I would go with a female as your first boa. If you get the female now and raise her up, and maybe a year or two before she's ready, get your male, you won't have to wait for her to grow up to breed. By the time your male is ready, she'll be ready. If you go the other way and get a male first and raise him up and get a female later, you'll end up having to spend more time raising her up to be bigger. Females may be more expensive at first but you will be able to breed earlier.

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Yeah, id probably get the female first now, but its just bad timing lol... Im sure my parents probably wouldnt want me to get another snake since I barley got my ball, I need to get a job and buy all the supplies (maby make a rack?) and probably wont be able to breed for a few years anyway since im about to graduate and go to college and IDK what i would do with my snakes... :(
And boas are alot bigger so it would be harder to try and keep... arhh.

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Originally Posted by JimiSnakes

Incorrect. Albino Het Anery x Anery Het Albino will, but albino x anery will not. It will produce ALL DH Anery and Albino normal-looking babies.

The BEST way to produce healthy and numerous snows is by Albino Het Anery x Anery Het Albino from 2 different breeders.

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the BEST as in the most efficient? Using albino het anery and anery het albino. So... wouldnt snow x what i want = snows possibly? since the snow is albino and anery, and so is the other pastel appearnace one that i want to get. just less anery.

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Originally Posted by I<3Dreamsicles

the BEST as in the most efficient? Using albino het anery and anery het albino. So... wouldnt snow x what i want = snows possibly? since the snow is albino and anery, and so is the other pastel appearnace one that i want to get. just less anery.

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The best as in producing as many snows the healthiest way. When you start to play around with the albino gene you WILL run into problems. It's just a weak gene. The Anery gene helps tremendously because it's a much stronger gene and it will help out your breeding results when it's in it's homozygous state on one side of the parents.