Spiders, pinstripes, and womas

Where did they come from? Were they once just dinkers someone proved out? Did we create them through selective breeding of extremely reduced patterns? Or are they an actual species of ball python that could be found in the wild aswell? I have been wondering this for a while and wanted to know if someone could answer. Sorry if this is a noob question

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Originally Posted by BigLu

Where did they come from? Were they once just dinkers someone proved out? Did we create them through selective breeding of extremely reduced patterns? Or are they an actual species of ball python that could be found in the wild aswell? I have been wondering this for a while and wanted to know if someone could answer. Sorry if this is a noob question

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Found in the wild :D

They are not a separate species....

These are merely color/pattern mutations that were found in the wild. Much like we as humans vary in eye color and hair color, and facial design, the ball python has many different genetic variations.

Thats crazy, i wonder how often importers get snakes like that

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Originally Posted by BigLu

Thats crazy, i wonder how often importers get snakes like that

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Every morph that is a base morph, which is close to 60 - 70 range, were once found in the wild then imported.

We have merely taken those morphs and made designer combinations with them. :gj:

I know at one time they where digging up and hatching 150,000 wild bred ball python eggs a year. With those kind of numbers you are bound to find a few freaks caused by a single mutated gene (or two in the case of the original Platy).

Someone told me the first spider came in the same year as the first clown, 1989. Can anyone verify that? I know the piebalds took years to get started from the first imports and the Crider too. Also back that long ago there wasn't as much experience to build on or as much cash to motivate not to mention that we forget how hard wild caught adults can be to work with. We have really been incredibly successful at propagating mutations to have so many affordable captive bred animals available now.

I'd be interested to hear the origins of the pinstripe and woma but I'm sure they where originally from an imported animal. Someone should seek out all the originators and get each story and publish a book of ball python morph founder. I bet you could still get pictures of a lot of the founder animals.

IIRC the original Pin was brought in by BHB

The original Woma was brought in by NERD. IF you are on the BLBC forum there is a thread there that has some background on this.