Caramel Pastel Mystery

Hopefully you all remember the thread a couple days ago in which we uncovered the mystery of the "miraculous" pastel het caramel. Ok, I got all the photos-judge for yourselves:

First, the hatchling "pastel" het Caramel, along with a normal het Caramel hatchlinghttp://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/99190pashet-med.jpg

Now the Caramel (pastel?) sire of above:http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...ramale-med.jpg

So, is he a pastel Caramel? Before you answer, look at his parents below (both caramel hets):http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/99190cardam-med.jpg
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...arsire-med.jpg
I did not take a pic of the het caramel mother of this clutch-but she is entirely normal-looking.

So, what say you all?

I say: Prove it out! If it is really just a caramel and you breed it to a normal, then you shouldnt get a pastel. Right?

The parents both look normal. But SOMEHOW in the wacky world of ball python genes, you got a pastel in that clutch.....:rolleyes: I can't wait till some more people chime in.

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Originally Posted by Hock3ymonk3y

I say: Prove it out! If it is really just a caramel and you breed it to a normal, then you shouldnt get a pastel. Right?

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That's the problem-I DID breed it to a normal (het caramel), and I DID get a pastel! The second clutch he sired just now pipped-2 eggs, both normal caramel hets. Not enough eggs to begin to prove anything though...

That's certainly odd. That bottom pic, (one of the original parents)

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/...arsire-med.jpg

Doesn't look entirely normal. But doesn't really look that pastel like either. But that baby really DOES look like a pastel. Could it be something new? Or maybe a vanilla or fire or some other light type morph? If it were me, I'd be keeping them all.

I forget... have we addressed the possibility of retained sperm?

I dunno.

The "pastel" baby certainly looks like it is SOMETHING.

The 2nd pic of the 2 parents of the (pastel?) caramel doesn't look like your average normal/het, but doesn't look very pastel either. Any idea if that pic was taking when she was glowing? Or is that her everyday coloration?

We can't even speculate that it is a hidden gene that interacts with the caramel het, because that would show up in either the grandparents, or the het mother, depending on which side it was inherited from.

Hmmmm.

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Originally Posted by kc261

I forget... have we addressed the possibility of retained sperm?

I dunno.

The "pastel" baby certainly looks like it is SOMETHING.

The 2nd pic of the 2 parents of the (pastel?) caramel doesn't look like your average normal/het, but doesn't look very pastel either. Any idea if that pic was taking when she was glowing? Or is that her everyday coloration?

We can't even speculate that it is a hidden gene that interacts with the caramel het, because that would show up in either the grandparents, or the het mother, depending on which side it was inherited from.

Hmmmm.

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This was that female's very first breeding-she has never been caged with any other ball-only the above male Caramel for mating. Also, the female is the first pic-the male is the bottom.

All these pics were taken today.

That does not look like a pastel Caramel and I doubt anyone would produce one and not know it. If she really has never been with another male than however unlikely what sometimes happens in a termite mound in Ghana just happened in your incubator. These morphs come from freek mutations in nature.

Ryan Young

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Originally Posted by Ryan Young

That does not look like a pastel Caramel and I doubt anyone would produce one and not know it. If she really has never been with another male than however unlikely what sometimes happens in a termite mound in Ghana just happened in your incubator. These morphs come from freek mutations in nature.

Ryan Young

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WOAH! That never crossed my mind....... Consider yourself LUCKY man!

Does anyone out there have a Pastel Caramel we can compare the OP's male caramel to?