Attention needed once again

I was forwarded this info. http://thetegu.com/modules.php?name=...&p=58555#58555

This has been floating around for awhile............it's been through two amendments.........

Can you tell us why we should be concerned about this one?

I've seen on other forums where people have screeched about the "live animal market" reference in this bill.

FWIW "live animal markets" are defined in Section 597.3 of the California Penal Code:

(2) "Live animal market" means a retail food market where, in the
regular course of business, animals are stored alive and sold to
consumers for the purpose of human consumption.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

This has been floating around for awhile............it's been through two amendments.........

Can you tell us why we should be concerned about this one?

I've seen on other forums where people have screeched about the "live animal market" reference in this bill.

FWIW "live animal markets" are defined in Section 597.3 of the California Penal Code:

(2) "Live animal market" means a retail food market where, in the
regular course of business, animals are stored alive and sold to
consumers for the purpose of human consumption.

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Did you even read it :confused:? Its an attempt to CEASE reptile shows not the eating of animals :rolleyes:.They are wanting ONLY pet stores to be able to sell animals period.So yes its worth my time to alert EVERYONE about it ;)

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Did you even read it :confused:? Its an attempt to CEASE reptile shows not the eating of animals :rolleyes:.They are wanting ONLY pet stores to be able to sell animals period.So yes its worth my time to alert EVERYONE about it ;)

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I read it Joe, and I've known about it for a while. I'm so gratified to see everyone is suddenly up in arms about a bill that has been floating around for over two months...........

Where are they wanting only Pet Stores to sell animals? Where does it ban reptile shows? Where does it not allow a small time breeder to sell reptiles out of his house?

SECTION 1. Section 597.4 is added to the Penal Code, to read:
597.4. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person to willfully sell,
display , or offer for sale or give away as part
of a commercial transaction , a live animal on any street,
highway, public right-of-way, commercial parking lot, or at any
outdoor special sale, swap meet, flea market, parking lot sale,
carnival, or boardwalk.

I have no problem refraining from selling live animals on:

a street
a highway
in the public ROW
in a commercial parking lot
at an OUTDOOR special sale
at a swap meet
or a flea market
even a parking lot sale and being afraid of clowns,
a carnival is automatically out
and I haven't bought an animal at a boardwalk in ages.

Joe, I've looked at the full text of the bill, in it's original and amended forms and can find no reference to the bill making it a crime to sell reptiles only through pet stores.

Now, if some of this bill was written in secret invisible ink, or if this is part of some secret conspiracy to gradually strip all of a our constitutional rights away from us by back-dooring it through the reptile industry (you know, first they came for our reptiles and then our first born sons), then please point me to correct verbiage in the bill.

Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by joepythons

I was forwarded this info. http://thetegu.com/modules.php?name=...&p=58555#58555

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I just got my email from USARK and was going to post this

(This bill would provide, in addition and with specified exceptions,
that it shall be a crime, punishable as specified, for any person to
willfully sell, trade, barter, display, or offer for sale, trade, or barter, or
give away as part of a commercial transaction a live animal on any
street, highway, public right-of-way, commercial parking lot, or at any
outdoor special sale, swap meet,.) Last time i checked reptile shows were called swap meets.So if they pass this then good-bye reptile shows :mad:

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Originally Posted by minguss

I just got my email from USARK and was going to post this

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Got mine last night :P

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Originally Posted by joepythons

(This bill would provide, in addition and with specified exceptions,
that it shall be a crime, punishable as specified, for any person to
willfully sell, trade, barter, display, or offer for sale, trade, or barter, or
give away as part of a commercial transaction a live animal on any
street, highway, public right-of-way, commercial parking lot, or at any
outdoor special sale, swap meet,.) Last time i checked reptile shows were called swap meets.So if they pass this then good-bye reptile shows :mad:

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Last time I checked a swap meet was a swap meet and a reptile show was a reptile show.

If the verbiage of the bill is confusing - so be it. That's why they get bounced back and forth with amendments.

Re-read the highlighted portion of your quote, Joe. Street.........public ROW................commercial parking lot...............outdoor special sale.............swap meet.............there is a similarity in all of these locations - they are outdoor public places. This bill is being introduced as part of an effort to target a certain type of live animal transaction, not as part of some sinister master plan to strip you of your right to buy or sell reptiles.

If everyone is so concerned about whether a reptile show qualifies as a swap meet then get this thing amended or clarified.

Blindly calling for the striking down of every animal rights bill that comes down the pipe makes our community look every bit as stupid, extremist and insensible as organizations like PETA.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Last time I checked a swap meet was a swap meet and a reptile show was a reptile show.

If the verbiage of the bill is confusing - so be it. That's why they get bounced back and forth with amendments.

Re-read the highlighted portion of your quote, Joe. Street.........public ROW................commercial parking lot...............outdoor special sale.............swap meet.............there is a similarity in all of these locations - they are outdoor public places. This bill is being introduced as part of an effort to target a certain type of live animal transaction, not as part of some sinister master plan to strip you of your right to buy or sell reptiles.

If everyone is so concerned about whether a reptile show qualifies as a swap meet then get this thing amended or clarified.

Blindly calling for the striking down of every animal rights bill that comes down the pipe makes our community look every bit as stupid, extremist and insensible as organizations like PETA.

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Well its enough to alert USARK.You can read it how you want but its here for everyone to read and form thier own opinion if its important to them or not ;)

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I have no problem refraining from selling live animals on:

a street
a highway
in the public ROW
in a commercial parking lot
at an OUTDOOR special sale
at a swap meet
or a flea market
even a parking lot sale and being afraid of clowns,
a carnival is automatically out
and I haven't bought an animal at a boardwalk in ages.

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Reptile expos could very well be legally interpreted as swap meets.

Even if they aren't, who is the government to prevent hobbyists from organizing a reptile swap meet?

In addition, I picked up my crested geckos in a parking lot. We arranged the sale over the phone, decided to meet halfway between where we lived (at a target parking lot) to do the actual exchange of animals+cages/money. I see no problem with that.

This bill would make actions such as those illegal. Yeah I personally have no problem with restricting selling animals at a carnival or along a highway or a couple of the other things mentioned, but I do have problems with portions of this bill.