Need Help Identifing Snake Species

Some good friends of my relatives who live in Northern Florida found this snake in their yard, fearing that it was vemonous, they killed it, but are concerned that there could be more. To me it doesn't look like a vemonous species. From the second pic it looks more like a water snake but I never seen a water snake with this kinda pattern and coloration, so I am not 100% sure,
The photos are graphic.
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A rat snake maybe, genus Elaphe?

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

A rat snake maybe, genus Elaphe?

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That is what I was thinking too by the first pic, but the shape of the mouth is unusual, which is why I originally gravitated towards water snakes as an answer.

Maybe that's just what happened after it got killed...

The only venemous snakes that are native to Fl are:

Eastern diamond back rattle snake
Pigmy rattle snake
Cotton mouth mocassin
Coral snake

Hognose snake - either a southern or eastern. Ilovelace, copperheads also occur in part of the panhandle and timber rattlers are in the northern part of the state.

Well the list is complete now :)

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Originally Posted by DutchHerp

A rat snake maybe, genus Elaphe?

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you mean Pantherophis. :colbert:

it's a colubrid, that's for sure... look at the belly pattern.

i vote for a juvie eastern hognose.

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Originally Posted by Colin Vestrand

you mean Pantherophis. :colbert:

it's a colubrid, that's for sure... look at the belly pattern.

i vote for a juvie eastern hognose.

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Me too, I have been looking into it, and it looks like a hognose to me as well.

Thankyous for helping me out yall!

my first thought was a hognose as well...but the snout doesn't look turned up...

ask your friends if it spread its neck, huff and puffed or even played dead.

i had a good ol ky boy tell me how he had rattlesnakes and copperheads coming into his yard, and he would kill them... i told him not to kill them and i would come down there and figure something out.

well he called me one night and was pretty excited cause he caught a baby timber rattlesnake. so i rushed down there to save it....it turned out to be a dekay's snake.

oh well....a for effort.