Spinners and wobbles

I was curious about head wobbles in Spiders.I understand its pretty common in ALL spiders,so my question in this;Can head wobbles be bred out while keeping the spider look? I know that Spiders and pins look similar in apperance.Would Spinners be way possible way to achieve this?

its in the gene i mean breeding a spiderXspider doesnt say you will get more of a wobble but im sure you have a good chance at less of a wobble if you out breed i.e. normXspider ive got 2 spiders now and one wobbles and the newer one doesnt seem to wobble but ive seen sub adults just start wobbling ive got to say spider combos seem to have less to none of the wobble syndrome

when spider or combospider ( as bumble bee ) growth , loose this.
when are baby you can see head wobbles , it's more evident , but generally loose when are adult.

Spider combos wobble as well. :gj:

My male, no wobble.

The Barkers book states that wobbles or "problems with normal head and neck motions" are not always obvious as hatchlings but can develop as late as 1 to 2 years old. It is not known definitively if it is an inheritable trait that can be bred out of the spider phenotype. I personally think the strange motions that spiders make are "linked" to the gene for spiders.

The only way it can be proven otherwise is to cull/spay/neuter all spiders that have problems with normal head and neck motions across the board. If the issue is separable from the color/pattern mutation extreme measures like this can eradicate the defect from the gene pool.

At work the other day the Vet I work for said that there is a fairly serious eye disorder that all dogs can get. All dogs except the Racing Greyhound because in the past when a Racing Greyhound would show signs of the disease the animal was culled. Ultimately the genetic disorder was eliminated from all lines of Racing Greyhounds. This is just an example what would have to be done to remove the wobble gene from the spider gene if they are even separable.

I am in no way suggesting that you cull your spider. I personally feel that as long as the wobble/strange head motion (what ever you want to call it) does not interfere with the snakes quality of life there is no reason to cull it. I know this was a long post but I hope it helps you understand what would have to be done to prove one way or the other if the traits are separable. As far as I know this has not been done in a large test population.

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Originally Posted by kellysballs

The Barkers book states that wobbles or "problems with normal head and neck motions" are not always obvious as hatchlings but can develop as late as 1 to 2 years old. It is not known definitively if it is an inheritable trait that can be bred out of the spider phenotype. I personally think the strange motions that spiders make are "linked" to the gene for spiders.

The only way it can be proven otherwise is to cull/spay/neuter all spiders that have problems with normal head and neck motions across the board. If the issue is separable from the color/pattern mutation extreme measures like this can eradicate the defect from the gene pool.

At work the other day the Vet I work for said that there is a fairly serious eye disorder that all dogs can get. All dogs except the Racing Greyhound because in the past when a Racing Greyhound would show signs of the disease the animal was culled. Ultimately the genetic disorder was eliminated from all lines of Racing Greyhounds. This is just an example what would have to be done to remove the wobble gene from the spider gene if they are even separable.

I am in no way suggesting that you cull your spider. I personally feel that as long as the wobble/strange head motion (what ever you want to call it) does not interfere with the snakes quality of life there is no reason to cull it. I know this was a long post but I hope it helps you understand what would have to be done to prove one way or the other if the traits are separable. As far as I know this has not been done in a large test population.

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great explanation... good :)

my spider male when was baby had little wobble. now it hasn't.
my bumble bee baby have little wobble.

There may be a way to breed it out of them, but the honest fact is that it would be greatly difficult.

There are some spiders that wobble and then grow out of it (like mine), and there are some that dont wobble but produce wobblers, and vise-versa.

After seeing the wobble for myself it, really isnt that bad, it doesnt affect their behavior, health, or feeding (definitely not their feeding.)

For my spider, he had, but it only really showed when he got excited about eating and as soon as he started getting around 500 grams, it was like the wobble just disappeared.