wobbles

I bought my first morph today a spider, i got him home and just stared at him for an hour like you do and noticed that he holds his head slightly to one side,please tell me this is not the wobbles i was only reading about this last week.

Could be that is one of the traits but trust me it isn't life altering. Its just a querk. :D

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Originally Posted by barbara

I bought my first morph today a spider, i got him home and just stared at him for an hour like you do and noticed that he holds his head slightly to one side,please tell me this is not the wobbles i was only reading about this last week.

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If he eats fine and sheds fine a little wobble is nothing to worry about. Mine definitely does some quirky things when startled or handled, but when it comes to feeding you can hardly tell!:D

lol yea wobble isnt a problem. Its actually a trait found in all ball python morphs including normals just spiders are more common to have it!

thanks. He is lovely though wouldnt part with him now whatevers wrong with him, got him from viper and vine theres a pic of him on their web site on matt,s head, and on the reptiles available page.

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Originally Posted by jdmls88

lol yea wobble isnt a problem. Its actually a trait found in all ball python morphs including normals just spiders are more common to have it!

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Thats a pretty bold claim, I think you'd be safer saying...it COULD be found in all morphs. Not all of the morphs/mutations will display wobbling/spinning behaviors, but it doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

:gj:

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Originally Posted by jknudson

Thats a pretty bold claim, I think you'd be safer saying...it COULD be found in all morphs. Not all of the morphs/mutations will display wobbling/spinning behaviors, but it doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

:gj:

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im saying it could be found in all morphs, personally ive seen albinos, normals, and spiders doin it

The wobble and spinning is why I have stayed away from spiders so far. Im not 100% anti spider or anything like that. I think they are killer and make some great combos. I just dont know what I would do if I ended up with a bunch of messed up spider babies that I couldnt get rid of.

Sorry to hijack, but what is the deal with the wobbly spider thing? Any threads or articles anyone could point me to?

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Originally Posted by Adam Wysocki @ 8ballpythons.com Blog

The real “spin” on spiders.
Tuesday, February 13th, 2007

When I purchased my first spider many years ago, I had heard and was told about “spinning” in spider ball pythons. The way it was described, I understood “spinning” to be a condition where the animal continually loops their head and neck in a “corkscrew” motion and barely has the ability to sit still. I looked over my spider and there was no “cork screwing” so in my mind, he wasn’t a “spinner”.

Over the years that followed as I raised my spider, I heard a lot of big breeders making statements like “all spiders spin” or “all spiders are tweaked” and I really got pissed off. How could they be saying stuff like that? All they were doing was hurting any chance I ever had at selling spiders. Surely I would produce spiders that didn’t spin and if they were telling people that every single one was “tweaked”, I’d be cooked!

Then, I started producing my own spiders. Within my first couple of clutches I noticed a couple that “weren’t right”, but no big deal, I just wouldn’t sell those. Then I started looking harder. I noticed different degrees of odd behavior in all of the spiders that I produced. Some shook their head from side to side, some spun like tops, and others did the corkscrew thing as they were cruising their cage at night, still others were less noticeable but it was there. The less noticeable ones didn’t wobble or corkscrew, but they held their head at an angle when you looked at them. Kind of like the way a dog looks when it hears something it doesn’t understand. So then I started looking at spiders. Spiders in my friends collections, spiders at shows, spiders in pictures posted on the internet. All of them do it do some degree, all of them.

I’ve read the internet rumors that it has something to do with the amount of white, or the head pattern, or the connecting or non-connecting neck stripe on the animals neck … bologna! It doesn’t matter, they all do it. I’ve also heard that spider siblings do it. After producing tons of spider clutches, I don’t find that to be an accurate statement. I do believe that breeders have seen “spinning” in spider siblings, but I don’t think that it is any more common in the normal looking siblings of spiders than it is in any other normal looking ball python. Over the years (and before I ever heard of spinning in spiders) I have produced a heterozygous albino and a normal looking pastel sibling that spin the exact same way that spiders do. I feel that it is a condition that can effect all ball pythons but for whatever reason is common in spiders. I’ve also heard that the reason spiders spin is because they were so inbred early on in the project … ridiculous. The recessive mutations out there have been inbred/line bred by an order of magnitude more than spiders. The notion that a co-dominant/dominant mutation can be inbred more than a recessive is an ill informed one.

I finally understood what the big breeders were saying. It’s not always as in your face as people expect it to be, but it’s there in each and every spider. You just have to know what to look for. Now I know a lot of people are going to read this and say “no, not my spider”. I’m telling you, your spider does it too. You just have to know what to look for. I’m not sure what the answer is, but I know one thing for sure … spin or not, I LOVE SPIDERS! I love their natural variation, I love the combos that they make, I love everything about them. I will always breed and produce spiders. I will do my best to keep my customers informed about them as much as I am and leave the decision to them. If I have to end up keeping every spider and spider I produce … well, that’s fine with me! :-)

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