do pastels pass along same brightness?

i was wondering if pastels pass along their brightness or if their clutches can be brighter or less bright. this question arrived when i was thinking about pieds and how the % of white is not passed along. i know the pied gene is recessive and pastels are co-dom so my thought is that a bright pastel parent will have bright off-spring and vise versa for dull, but im not 100% sure

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Originally Posted by andwhy6

i was wondering if pastels pass along their brightness or if their clutches can be brighter or less bright. this question arrived when i was thinking about pieds and how the % of white is not passed along. i know the pied gene is recessive and pastels are co-dom so my thought is that a bright pastel parent will have bright off-spring and vise versa for dull, but im not 100% sure

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I think it depends on the line of pastels.In other words its like some lines will "brown out" and the lemons just get brighter in my opinion :P

I agree it all depends on the snakes that are breeding, if they are really clean and bright colors that is what you would expect to see. If they are not so great looking then there offspring should not be. But there are ways to say clean them up, you can breed say a pastel to like a yellow belly and the result should be a brighter less brown pastel offspring. At least that is my belief, i am sure someone with tons of expeience may chime in and clear it all up.

IMO its all chance. i still believe that two beautiful snakes can produce some "browned out" patterns. but on the flip side theres a greater chance that the patterns will be passed to the offspring. just imagine like the grazani line. they refined refined and refined, cross bred, cross bred, and cross bred. so maybe the grazani line may be muttled. but chances are if the parents are bright, most likely the kids will be bright as well. but dont rely on this

Selective breeding is very important. Take a quality pastel, and breed it to a normal female that has traits you hope will enhance the babies.

Winston my lemon pastel here:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...nstonJune5.jpg

Is going to be bred to Pandora - who I hope will pass on her bright yellow that will compliment Winston's offspring:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...andoraJan4.jpg

And to Sierra - who I hope will pass on more reduced pattern with Winston's bright yellow:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...ierraJune6.jpg

My other female who's breeding weight is Echo - who I decided not to pair with Winston, since she's so dark, and she's breeding to my 100% het clown instead.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9.../EchoGirl5.jpg

And Oliver is also very reduced, so I'm hoping that they both pass on their reduced traits to future clowns, since I really like the reduced clowns:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...liverJune6.jpg

As you can see - I very carefully selected who would go with who, based on traits that I hoped would pass to offspring.

Hope that helps!

excellent robin

I bred my Graziani to a normal female with a bright yellow dorsal-stripe pattern. 3 of the babies were pretty plain looking and will probably brownout a lot. Three were what I would sonsider a higher grade; more yellow and less orange.
I do not think that people should generalize and say "all of this line brown out." I have seen lemons that browned out on top. It is a crap shoot in my opinion :)