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  • 10-11-2007, 06:43 AM
    rottendj
    is this ok?
    i was wondering if you guys breed siblings with the parents or is that simply not the done thing?
    if the answers yes then would they mate ok?

    thanks...
  • 10-11-2007, 08:42 AM
    SarahMB
    Re: is this ok?
    Yes, most breeders do that. I'll be doing it, eventually.
  • 10-11-2007, 09:37 AM
    MPenn
    Re: is this ok?
    That is normally done when trying to prove out a new morph of the recessive nature. It won't hurt but it is better to outcross and breed unrelated animals.
  • 10-11-2007, 09:40 AM
    PythonWallace
    Re: is this ok?
    Like they said, it's done, but it's best to limit it to proving a new morph or proving out poss hets. Whenever possible, it's best to outcross.
  • 10-11-2007, 10:29 AM
    WingedWolfPsion
    Re: is this ok?
    It's called line-breeding, and it's not quite as problematic as inbreeding (breeding sibling to sibling), but it's not something you want to do several times in a row. The danger with incestuous breeding is that any genetic flaws (as well as desireable mutations) will be fixed and expressed. This makes genetic flaws pile up, and increases the risk of low fertility and defects. In general, reptiles appear to be somewhat sturdier when it comes to holding up under incestuous breeding than mammals are, but eventually they too will fall prey to a pile of recessive defects that have been made visible through generations of in/line breeding.
  • 10-11-2007, 05:28 PM
    rottendj
    Re: is this ok?
    thanks for the info. the reason i ask is because i may be looking to buy a dom or co-dom female morph to breed with my normal male in a few years time. after a first clutch i would like to hang on to one of the siblings to breed with the mum and go for a super morph.

    dont get me wrong i wouldnt do it for money just the fact that im fascinated by all aspects of royals and that would be the ultimate experience.

    if i were to get a mojave, what would be the realistic result of getting a blue eye lucy from mojave x mojave? same goes for the other co-doms.

    thanks again for the replies!
    Mike...
  • 10-11-2007, 05:32 PM
    Freakie_frog
    Re: is this ok?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rottendj
    thanks for the info. the reason i ask is because i may be looking to buy a dom or co-dom female morph to breed with my normal male in a few years time. after a first clutch i would like to hang on to one of the siblings to breed with the mum and go for a super morph.

    dont get me wrong i wouldnt do it for money just the fact that im fascinated by all aspects of royals and that would be the ultimate experience.

    if i were to get a mojave, what would be the realistic result of getting a blue eye lucy from mojave x mojave? same goes for the other co-doms.

    thanks again for the replies!
    Mike...


    A mojo to mojo breeding carries the odds of each egg having a 1:4 chance for producing a BEL
  • 10-11-2007, 05:34 PM
    PythonWallace
    Re: is this ok?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rottendj
    thanks for the info. the reason i ask is because i may be looking to buy a dom or co-dom female morph to breed with my normal male in a few years time. after a first clutch i would like to hang on to one of the siblings to breed with the mum and go for a super morph.

    dont get me wrong i wouldnt do it for money just the fact that im fascinated by all aspects of royals and that would be the ultimate experience.

    if i were to get a mojave, what would be the realistic result of getting a blue eye lucy from mojave x mojave? same goes for the other co-doms.

    thanks again for the replies!
    Mike...

    A mojave x mojave should produce 25% BELs, 50% mojos and 25% normals. A lot of people do this. It's not as harmful to do with reptiles, but if you can get fresh animals, it's better to use the new genes, than to inbreed year after year.
  • 10-11-2007, 05:41 PM
    rottendj
    Re: is this ok?
    awesome!!! i love white snakes!!!
    i must have forgot to mention i would use the sibling just once to get the super, then pass it on to someone and maybe get something else. who knows what will happen years down the road! definately hang on to the blue lucy, my first, only and normal royal and see what happens.

    sorry for the questions but what would happen if you cross a blue lucy x normal or other co-dom?

    thanks again!
  • 10-11-2007, 06:02 PM
    CntrlF8
    Re: is this ok?
    x normal you'd get 100% whatever you bred to get the lucy... if it was a mojo lucy you'd get 100% mojo, if it was a lesser lucy you'd get 100% lesser..

    x another co-dom, for instance pastel, you'd get 100% lesser/mojo (depending on which lucy you're using) and 50% of those would also be pastel.
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