cinnamon pastel vs. black pastel

can someone please explain the difference in cinnamon pastels and black pastels? genetically speaking--not visually.

on RDRs site they are listed as:

"Genetic Morph: Cinnamon Pastel, Black Pastel, Cinny
Status: Proven Co-Dominant
When: 2002
By Whom: Graziani Reptiles, Gulf Coast Reptiles ( first to produce Super in 2002 ) BHB and Ian, I believe were the first to call their lines 'Black Pastels'"


however, i have read here that they are not actually the same/not 2 different names for the same morph ...

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Originally Posted by mlededee

however, i have read here that they are not actually the same/not 2 different names for the same morph ...

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They are visually different and genetically the same.

Hope this helps. :D

(people working with either one or the other like to jump and and down to try and say that one is better than the other, but that's just marketing ... look at the individuals, look at the combos that they make, and get what ya love ... can't go wrong doing it like that! ... I've got both and I think that they both rock!!! :D)

-adam

thanks adam that totally makes sense. i can see the difference visually which is why i was asking what the difference is genetically. all's clear now! :gj:

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

(people working with either one or the other like to jump and and down to try and say that one is better than the other, but that's just marketing ... look at the individuals, look at the combos that they make, and get what ya love ... can't go wrong doing it like that! ... I've got both and I think that they both rock!!! :D)

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:sweeet: Too true. There are many different lines and many combos with even more confusing names to go along with them (Silver Bullet, Silver Streak, Pewter, Sterling Pastel, etc.). When it comes down to it, buy the snake... not the name.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

They are visually different and genetically the same.

-adam

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I'm confused.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

look at the individuals, look at the combos that they make, and get what ya love ... can't go wrong doing it like that!
-adam

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Originally Posted by xdeus

When it comes down to it, buy the snake... not the name.

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absolutely. now the problem is deciding which i actually do like best... i'm thinking maybe the black pastel, but well, they both have qualities i like! :)

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

They are visually different and genetically the same.

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To clarify my confusion....

Do you mean the same allele codes for these two different traits? So it is an environmentally induced difference? Or are we talking about multiple alleles at one locus?

What happens when you cross a black pastel to a cinnamon? IS this known?

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Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls

IS this known?

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Yes. It's been done lots of times. :D ;)

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Yes. It's been done lots of times. :D ;)

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Have those Supers been bred back to normals? I'm wondering if it is similar to the Mojave/Lesser breedings or is it different?

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I'm wondering if it is similar to the Mojave/Lesser breedings or is it different?

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You just might be on to something. ;)

-adam