Vanilla het?????

I was looking at the Kingsnake classifieds and saw that Tom Crutchfield is selling a snake that he calls het for vanilla. I may be mistaken but I thought vanilla was a co-dom trait.
Here is the ad for anyone interested:
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=458669

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Originally Posted by MPenn

I was looking at the Kingsnake classifieds and saw that Tom Crutchfield is selling a snake that he calls het for vanilla. I may be mistaken but I thought vanilla was a co-dom trait.
Here is the ad for anyone interested:
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=458669

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Now i am not saying he is lying or anything here.The whole vanilla morph thing is still up in the air as far as understanding the genetics are concerned,from what i understand.I think thats why he included the UNPROVEN part in his description.

I do believe that Vanillas(AKA Thunders) have been proven co-doms.
However that seller always has the 'There is something going on here!' lines in his ads. He had a really nice blushy female up for grabs that 'something is going going on here' for 775 even though she was just a nice normal blusher.
And to me that doesn't look much like the vanillas I've seen other then the widish stripe. No faded head, no 'dots'. I wouldn't pay that price for it.

Is the vanilla a thunder? Are they two separate lines of the same morph like cinnamon pastels and black pastels?

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Originally Posted by joepythons

The whole vanilla morph thing is still up in the air as far as understanding the genetics are concerned,from what i understand.

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Your understanding of the vanilla mutation is incorrect. Your best bet would be to contact Chris McQuade at Gulf Coast Reptiles and speak to him about what is what. Gulf Coast proved this mutation years ago. Vanillas are a codominant mutation that when bred together will produce super vanillas. There are also vanilla combintations that have been produced. Nothing "up in the air" about the mutation in any way.

-adam

Thank you Adam for your reply! I figured that you would know! ;)

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Originally Posted by MPenn

Is the vanilla a thunder?

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Not according to Tom Carlton and Chris McQuade (the two guys that founded the thunder and the vanilla).

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Vanillas are a codominant mutation that when bred together will produce super vanillas.
-adam

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And Super Vanillas are very pretty snakes! :sweeet:

Is it possible that two people are using the same name to describe two different morphs?

Everything I've read always says that Vanilla and Thunder are the same and interchangeable.