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  • 05-15-2006, 05:56 PM
    Mendel's Balls
    Vision of Ball Python Albino
    Does anyone owning an albino find that they seem to have worse vision than wild-types?
  • 05-15-2006, 05:58 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Vision of Ball Python Albino
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls
    Does anyone owning an albino find that they seem to have worse vision than wild-types?

    None of my albinos have a problem.

    -adam
  • 05-15-2006, 06:00 PM
    Mendel's Balls
    Re: Vision of Ball Python Albino
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
    None of my albinos have a problem.

    -adam

    Thanks....just wondering. You feed them live right?
  • 05-15-2006, 06:46 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: Vision of Ball Python Albino
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mendel's Balls
    Thanks....just wondering. You feed them live right?

    Not exclusively, but the majority of the time ... they've all taken frozen at different points in their lives.

    -adam
  • 05-15-2006, 07:45 PM
    elevatethis
    Re: Vision of Ball Python Albino
    How would you test for that? I read that ball pythons, like many nocturnal reptiles, have pretty crappy vision to begin with and that they relied more on tracking heat sources when hunting or ambushing prey.
  • 05-15-2006, 08:17 PM
    SnakeySnakeSnake
    Re: Vision of Ball Python Albino
    Ive noticed my normal bp's seem to track by heat/some other means more than vision, ie the prey runs behind a hide and the snake moves its head as the rat moves, despite not being able to see it
  • 05-15-2006, 11:56 PM
    elevatethis
    Re: Vision of Ball Python Albino
    Not to mention that 90% of their underbelly is contacting the ground at all times....I bet they are feeling every little vibration around them....
  • 05-16-2006, 01:33 AM
    Mendel's Balls
    Re: Vision of Ball Python Albino
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by elevatethis
    How would you test for that? I read that ball pythons, like many nocturnal reptiles, have pretty crappy vision to begin with and that they relied more on tracking heat sources when hunting or ambushing prey.

    Crappy depends on your perspective...from an anthropogenic view yes they have crappy photoreception.....they cant see as many different colors as we can and cant see images as sharp as we can since they dont have many cone cells in their eyes.....

    Furthermore, they also only have two types of cone cells while we have three..this allows our eyes to "cover" and absorb more of the colors on the "visible spectrum"

    Cones are useful for day vision.....

    Ball Pythons, however, have a higher density of rod cells in their eyes then we do...and rods are used for night vision....a rod can detect a single photon of light

    See this 1999 Paper I just found from the Journal of Experimental Biology available free from PubMed Central for more info.

    "The nocturnal habit of its primary prey makes it necessary for P. regius to be very active at night. Its retina, so heavily dominated by highly
    sensitive rods, is ideally suited for either foraging or ambushing
    in a dim light environment. Its relatively long rod outer
    segments would be highly effective light traps, making it very
    unlikely that a photon entering a rod along its longitudinal plane
    would not be absorbed by the visual pigment. Similarly, its high
    rod packing density decreases the likelihood that a photon
    would pass between adjacent rods and remain unabsorbed. At
    approximately 457 000 rodsmm-2, the rod packing density in
    the retina of P. regius is similar to that of other nocturnal
    creatures. For example, depending on the region surveyed, rod
    packing density has been measured in the retina of the cat Felis
    domesticus at 275 000–460 000 rodsmm-2 (Steinberg et al.,
    1973), in the North American opossum Didelphis virginiana at
    310 000–485 000 rodsmm-2 (Kolb and Wang, 1985) and in the
    owl monkey Aotes trivirgatus at 216 000–478 000 rodsmm-2
    (Ogden, 1975). Albino laboratory rats were found to have a rod
    packing density of 374 000 rodsmm-2 by Mayhew and Astle
    (1997) and 400 000 rodsmm-2 by Cone (1963), who found no
    variation in density over the central two-thirds of the retina."


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    Interestingly, the same group finds that while BPs have only two cones, one of the cones can absorb light in the UV range of the electromagnetic spectrum.....so maybe it's not so much that they have worse vision than us...they just have a different way of seeing....




    As far as Albinism affecting vision in BP....I am starting to believe it doesnt have much of an effect...I dont know this for sure but from what I have been reading Albinism in humans (see http://www.knowlton.clara.net/family/Albinism/sight.htm) for the most part affects how much detail a human can see in a picture.....and WT BPs can see much detail to begin with
  • 05-16-2006, 10:02 AM
    cueball
    Re: Vision of Ball Python Albino
    I know this does not help much but you might find it interesting anyways. I have noticed that albino turtles definitely do not seem to see aswell. They have a harder time seeing food and do not go into flight as quickly as "normal" turtles of the same species. This impairment is worse in direct sunlight as apposed to inside artificial light.


    My albino ball pythons do fine :D
  • 05-16-2006, 10:04 AM
    4theSNAKElady
    Re: Vision of Ball Python Albino
    Mendel, that last bit was awesome!!!!!...very informative.....I have never owned an albino ball( dreaming of owning one though), so I could not say.However,I did have an albino Leo and it seemed she was very sensitive to light, shutting her eyes tight until I dimmed the lights. She also had terrible aim when going for crickets compared to my other Leos.
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