Dwarf Retic

I'm just looking around and saw a couple things on dwarf retics, I know that theres a couple different dwarves out there, but which ones stay the smallest. Have they proven to stay at that size.

Super dwarf Retic. Bob Clark is working with some right now. He claims they will stay under 2 meters as adults.
http://www.bobclark.com/

Mike Willbanks has Dwarf Tiger, Dwarf Tiger Albino and Dwarf Jampeas available. I think dwarf Jamps top out at 9ft.

http://www.constrictors.com/Pythons.html

Jamps can get over 12'.. I've heard of some 15' ones.. and the morph jamps are crossed with normal full sized retics, so they have even more potential for growth I believe.

Im looking at super dwarves right now. I've emailed Bob Clark.

They are gorgeous snakes. I saw a lavender albino superdwarf on kingsnake. Silver eyes.. just breathtaking.

Garrick at CrestedGecko.com is currently working on some super dwarf projects and will have some available in 07' I believe. The line he is working on at 5-6 years of age were five to six 1/2 feet in length.

It'd be sweet to have a dwarf retic, but all that I've read about the dwarfs is that they have real nasty temperments.

I've seen that they have a better temperment than other retics.

I am sure babies can be live wires, but I have heard nothing negative about their temperament.. quite the opposite. I've heard of a number of tame ones.

The latest consensus is that female Jamps will top out between 12 and 15 feet depending on how they were fed, especially as young snakes. I would never recommend anyone hold back food to keep a Retic small. But you can still feed a sensible amount. Jim Gasper (the guy with the 15 foot female Jamps) admittedly feeds his animals A LOT!!! We have a 4-5 year old female Jamp that we feed a LOT and she is only 12 1/2 feet and like 65 pounds.

So far, the 1/2 Jamp 1/2 Mainlands, like the 'dwarf hets' and 'dwarf tigers' are actually staying smaller than full blooded Jamps. I can't promise that this will stay true and always be true, but Steve Gooch (1st ever to produce dwarf Super Tigers and Bob Clark Photographer) has a 4 or 5 year old 1/2 Jamp 1/2 Mainland Tiger that is a proven female at only 12 or 13 feet. She dropped over 40 eggs this year!

Last year we had a Mainland Albino and a 1/2 Jamp 1/2 Mainland Het hatch around the same time. The albino was 154 Grams and the 1/2 Jamp was 72 Grams! That little 1/2 Jamp eats like a champ and is still really small.

As far as temperment, I don't really think Retics are nasty at all. We have more nasty Balls than we do Retics. You just don't worry about a nasty Ball. We have 12 adult Retics not including any juveniles or sub-adults and only one big female is ever at all aggresive, and even she is really very handleable if you have the experience. Super Dwarfs, Kayuadis, etc can be flighty/bitey if they're wild caught, but so can everything else. I think they are very similar to Carpets. Jamps and Mainlands require a higher skill level to safely work in my opinion, but I think the same thing about Burms and big BCC's. I'm not talking Master Herper, just some good experience.

Here is some growth data on Superdwarfs
http://mahn001.tripod.com/id28.html

Here is one of our adult female Super Dwarfs. She is under 5 feet and under 12 pounds!
http://mahn001.tripod.com/sitebuilde...ures/1sdw2.jpg

End Rant.