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  • 07-28-2026, 08:39 AM
    Lord Sorril
    HGW/Yellow Belly + ??? (parents genetics known)
    I have two hatchlings from separate clutches pre-shed, I think they are both the same genetics, but I'm confused as to what that would be...

    Parents for both are HGW/Lesser/Yellow Belly x Ivory (Super YB)/Spider

    The first hatchling below has more yellow and the second one is whiter than my axanthics pre-shed.
    I have not adjusted the color of the snakes in the photos below.

    #1
    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-1b_imrits.jpg
    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-1a_iyvtlk.jpg

    #2:
    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-1c_f8ufwr.jpg
    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-1d_q92l6y.jpg
    The clutchmates are not useful for comparison ID because so far they are either Yellow Belly or Ivory.
    I am hatching out a few more as I post this though.

    There are only so many genetic options that #1 + #2 can be...What do you think?

    This is a photo of the HGW/Lesser/Yellow Belly father:
    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ted_e9jxgo.jpg
  • 07-28-2026, 09:50 AM
    Lord Sorril
    Re: HGW/Yellow Belly + ??? (parents genetics known)
    I ran the photos through some different AI's and they claimed Spider/Lesser/Yellow Belly, but they thought Hidden Gene Woma was prominent.

    ChatGPT thought HGW/Spider/Lesser/Yellow Belly, but also kept insisting I give it the correct answer. I told it that I thought HGW/Spider was embryonic lethal and it got even more aggressive about demanding the correct answer...and insisted I answer an entire panel of questions (no thanks!).

    Of course I trust AI as much as a hungry anaconda to babysit my cats...so there is that....:P
  • 07-28-2026, 03:34 PM
    Bogertophis
    I wouldn't trust AI much either. :rofl:
  • 07-28-2026, 05:53 PM
    EL-Ziggy
    Re: HGW/Yellow Belly + ??? (parents genetics known)
    I don’t know anything about BP genetics but those are some beautiful critters!
  • 07-29-2026, 06:53 AM
    Lord Sorril
    Re: HGW/Yellow Belly + ??? (parents genetics known)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    I wouldn't trust AI much either. :rofl:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy View Post
    I don’t know anything about BP genetics but those are some beautiful critters!

    Thanks!

    Yeah...I can't figure out what the genetics on these two are...depending upon what I have offspring this year I may end up holding them to proof breed.
    I assume their color will change as they get older and maybe they just look weird when they are young.

    I looked up Rare Genetics Inc. to see what they were charging these days for their 50 morph panel test: $139.
    I'm sure that is a reasonable price, but I'm not dropping that much cash for a curiosity.
    $139 would get me me 278lbs. of rodent food (at $0.50/lb) or nearly 28lbs. of Red Hematoid Quartz at ($5.00/lb).
    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ted_ylrbok.jpg
    I spoke with another bp breeder and he said that if they are Spider/HGW I will know it when they just randomly keel over in the new few weeks....
    I'm hoping that doesn't happen...:)

    My partner looked at the snakes and with her basic ID Skills: she thinks Axanthic, but there is no way.
    Axanthic was never introduced into the parental breeding lines and I've never seen *any* axanthics show up randomly in my population.
  • 07-29-2026, 11:17 AM
    Bogertophis
    Let's hope they don't "keel over". ;)
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