Clutch identification (photoheavy)

I need help with identifying a clutch.

The pairing was a Butter Fire Enchi Pastel Leopard 1.0 x Mojave 0.1. I suspect the male does not contain leopard, but it was sold as such from the breeder (I've included photos of him too).


Here is the male: Butter Fire Enchi Pastel Leopard, or just Butter Fire Enchi Pastel?
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-HWFN3xN-L.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...h2/i-HWFN3xN/A
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-8tRM4vB-L.jpg


Here are the photos of the clutch with my guess. Any help will be appreceated :)



#301 Normal?
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-Wq3Gqvh-L.jpg



#302 Mojave Enchi Pastel ???
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-fqD6hRJ-L.jpg



#303 BEL Butter Mojvae (and possible fire, pastel and/or enchi?)
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-KhTqQ5N-L.jpg



#304 Very similar to the father, but not as bright. Butter Fire Enchi Pastel (leopard?)????
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-FnNLJT4-L.jpg



#305 Very similar to #304. Butter Fire Enchi Pastel (leopard?) ????
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-9FqJf6f-L.jpg



#306 This one is a little darker than #304 & 305, so my guess is Butter Enchi Pastel ???
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-RwXq9ZF-L.jpg



#307 Mojave Enchi ????
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-dLWgLbC-L.jpg


#308 Pastel Fire?
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-c2zNbCj-L.jpg

#309 Mojave Fire Enchi Pastel
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...-zh26pxH-L.jpg

Dad does look a bit light to have a dark gene like leopard in there. I don't really see anything leaping out as such in the offspring either. But I'm not as familiar with it tbh

I think you're pretty spot on with the IDs tho.
On the BEL, there almost looks like there's a yellow stripe down the back? That could be poss enchi. Fire and Pastel will be harder to say since Lesser Mojave is already such a bright snake.

I think 307 seems a little bright for mochi. Maybe a low expression pastel as well.

Leopard can be pretty variable. I do think it's there in some of the OS. 305, 306, 308 I'm pretty certain of, and 301, 307, 309 I'd like to see more angles to get a better idea but poss Leo as well. Leopard is not showing super obviously in your line for whatever reason, but I definitely see the side pattern going up over the dorsal to the other side, weird connections, the eyes of the alien heads moving around, and so forth. On 308 how some of the eyes go vertical so there are 4 going across the dorsal is very Leopard-like, where a typical Firefly would just get keyholes with eyes on either side or possibly one eye stretched up over the dorsal.

I agree 307 is a bit bright in the blushing, and likely has weak expression of Pastel.

Otherwise I think your ID's are spot on.

I’m not going to lie. I’m not seeing leopard at all. I think you’re spot on with the morphs.

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Originally Posted by nikkubus

Leopard can be pretty variable. I do think it's there in some of the OS. 305, 306, 308 I'm pretty certain of, and 301, 307, 309 I'd like to see more angles to get a better idea but poss Leo as well. Leopard is not showing super obviously in your line for whatever reason, but I definitely see the side pattern going up over the dorsal to the other side, weird connections, the eyes of the alien heads moving around, and so forth. On 308 how some of the eyes go vertical so there are 4 going across the dorsal is very Leopard-like, where a typical Firefly would just get keyholes with eyes on either side or possibly one eye stretched up over the dorsal.

I agree 307 is a bit bright in the blushing, and likely has weak expression of Pastel.

Otherwise I think your ID's are spot on.

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Thanks for the feedback :)

I'm not that experienced, and to my eye 304 and 305 looks very similar. Where do you see leopard in 305, but not 304?
I'm not sure if these helps, but here are a a few more of the photos I shot of 301, 307 and 309


#301
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...cFv73qk-XL.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...g5SDkP9-XL.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...hH8MbK9-XL.jpg




#307
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...jbLRcsR-XL.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...9PjWSbC-XL.jpg




#309
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...LSLzdNs-XL.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...N5vDNs3-XL.jpg

I'm not seeing enough in these three that I would say they got it for sure. There are some odd spots on them that are suspect, but it could just be normal variation of side pattern.

The side I can see of 304 looks like fairly standard alien head shapes, though there aren't any eyes to see that part of the dynamic. Some pattern connects to the dorsal pattern a bit oddly, but not something strong enough to think Leopard is responsible. 305 has some really weird detached patches that don't match the shape of anything at all, some pieces where half the alien head goes up over the dorsal so it's not horizontal with the rest of it, but off at an angle, and some that are shaped like lowercase r's or upper case T's with a sort of wing. Things like this can happen in normals here and there, but there is a lot of it going on in one animal.