Patternless Traits

not necessarily about BP’s specifically but thought this might be a generalized question but if a patternless male mates with a patternless female, both from the same specific locality, would the resulting clutch be comprised of all patternless babies? likewise, if a patternless male mates with a patterned female, again, of the same locality, would that result in a mixed clutch or…?

It really depends on the underlying genetics of what is causing it. Generally speaking, more often than not, yes or at least close to it. If incomplete dominants are involved, it's very possible to have patternless caused by that, each parent has one copy of the gene causing it, but then 25% of the offspring would not get at least one copy and then be wild type. If two completely different morphs are involved, each offspring could end up het for both but have no visual effect.

In BP's specifically, most the morphs off the top of my head that take away all the pattern are the super form of an incomplete dominant that require two copies to appear patternless, so all offspring would be patternless so long as it's the same morph. But If you bred an Ivory to a blue eyed lucy, all the offspring would usually have pattern.

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Originally Posted by nikkubus

It really depends on the underlying genetics of what is causing it. Generally speaking, more often than not, yes or at least close to it. If incomplete dominants are involved, it's very possible to have patternless caused by that, each parent has one copy of the gene causing it, but then 25% of the offspring would not get at least one copy and then be wild type. If two completely different morphs are involved, each offspring could end up het for both but have no visual effect.

In BP's specifically, most the morphs off the top of my head that take away all the pattern are the super form of an incomplete dominant that require two copies to appear patternless, so all offspring would be patternless so long as it's the same morph. But If you bred an Ivory to a blue eyed lucy, all the offspring would usually have pattern.

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well to give more information because idk how much is true for all snakes and how of this might be species specific but the information i have rn is: patternless coloration in scrub pythons is a naturally occurring morph that doesn’t have any relation to hobby morphs insomuch as the phenomena is not the result of selective breeding by hobbyists - i have a patternless Southern/Merauke male and was wondering what would take place if i bred them with patterned and patternless Southern/Merauke females

Hmm. I wonder if anyone with a lot of scrub experience knows if it's a simple recessive. That would be my guess, in which case all OS should be patternless. I know there are a few guys on here that keep scrubs and might have an answer.

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Originally Posted by nikkubus

scrub experience knows if it's a simple recessive.

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To the best of my knowledge it is recessive. That said, there are a handful of different scrub species so it may not hold true for all of them. Also, there are some animals that are not so much patternless as their pattern has simply faded away as they aged