Need help with two of my new BPs

So I recently purchased two juvenile balls from a local shop. Both caught my eye and the owner was not sure of their morphs, so I figured I’d post here to see if anyone can give their insight. I have an idea of what both may be, but I would like to see some other’s opinions

#1 sold to me as a normal https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5941f8ca5d.jpg

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#2 labeled “mystery morph”
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You'll have to be patient for those who know these things, the only thing I can identify are the Crocs in pic #3- ;)

First one looks like a blade morph. Way too reduced a pattern to be a normal. Not sure on the second one though, I'm not the best at deciphering the dark genes.

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Originally Posted by Snagrio

First one looks like a blade morph. Way too reduced a pattern to be a normal. Not sure on the second one though, I'm not the best at deciphering the dark genes.

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Yes I am also thinking blade on the first one. In fact, while browsing on morphmarket some of the snakes that looked closest to this one were super blades, but I feel like that would be pretty rare to encounter in the way I acquired this snake.


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Blade is fairly common, and missed a lot of the time when not in combo with Clown. Could be, but my first guess would be Enchi because the dorsal isn't as clear as I would expect on Blade.

Second one has to be some kind of combo. With the line of demarcation being smudged on the eye stripe, Cinnamon is a good possibility of being one of the things in there. HRA comes to mind with the particular type of blushing, but I don't have enough experience with HRA to know what kind of combo would make HRA side pattern look like that.

This Butter HRA has a similar look but the color is very different so maybe one of the darker Lesser complex morphs like Phantom? I can't seem to find a pic of HRA Phantom without also having Pastel or Spotnose.
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Blade is fairly common, and missed a lot of the time when not in combo with Clown. Could be, but my first guess would be Enchi because the dorsal isn't as clear as I would expect on Blade.

Second one has to be some kind of combo. With the line of demarcation being smudged on the eye stripe, Cinnamon is a good possibility of being one of the things in there. HRA comes to mind with the particular type of blushing, but I don't have enough experience with HRA to know what kind of combo would make HRA side pattern look like that.

This Butter HRA has a similar look but the color is very different so maybe one of the darker Lesser complex morphs like Phantom? I can't seem to find a pic of HRA Phantom without also having Pastel or Spotnose.
https://d20zyr0oabjxc2.cloudfront.ne...32DF3858CBBBAB

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Originally Posted by nikkubus

Blade is fairly common, and missed a lot of the time when not in combo with Clown. Could be, but my first guess would be Enchi because the dorsal isn't as clear as I would expect on Blade.

Second one has to be some kind of combo. With the line of demarcation being smudged on the eye stripe, Cinnamon is a good possibility of being one of the things in there. HRA comes to mind with the particular type of blushing, but I don't have enough experience with HRA to know what kind of combo would make HRA side pattern look like that.

This Butter HRA has a similar look but the color is very different so maybe one of the darker Lesser complex morphs like Phantom? I can't seem to find a pic of HRA Phantom without also having Pastel or Spotnose.
https://d20zyr0oabjxc2.cloudfront.ne...32DF3858CBBBAB

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Thank you for your response! I am wondering for #2 if you see Blackhead with the ringer gene? We were able to determine the actual breeder of this snake, unfortunately he won’t respond, but he does produce BH combos and there’s a few that look very similar to mine. Specifically the BH/OD combos he has produced and placed on morphmarket coinciding with the age of this BP I have.

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Actually, yes, it does look a lot like that as well as other OD Blackhead besides the blushing coloration. I don't have any experience at all with ringer gene so I couldn't say for sure if that is in there. If he was doing pairings that produced het Pied, it could be the het Pied causing ringer.

Hoping it's just a camera artifact, but the one photo of your 2nd snake almost looks like a kink about where the ringer would is.
Also I would make sure to keep the humidity up for that one as well. The eye looks like there was maybe some shedding problems last time. Hoping it wasn't a mite problem cause they also like to get into the eye area.

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Actually, yes, it does look a lot like that as well as other OD Blackhead besides the blushing coloration. I don't have any experience at all with ringer gene so I couldn't say for sure if that is in there. If he was doing pairings that produced het Pied, it could be the het Pied causing ringer.

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The ringer gene from what I’ve researched causes the “lifting” of the alien heads up from the belly as well as causing some of them to blend together.


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