Regurgitation?

I fed a small live rat to my adult male ball python. 4 days later when I next went to check on him I noticed that the rat reappeared. It looked partially digested so at first I thought maybe it was improperly digested poop, but I don’t actually know. He’s usually fed small frozen/thawed rats but I gave him live this time because my frozen supply ran out. I saw him strike and then eat it and he seemed just fine. Any ideas about what may have happened? Should I be concerned for his health?

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Was he handled at all after he was fed? Was his "privacy" to digest interrupted at all?

Have you double-checked his temperatures to make sure he was warm enough to digest? What are the high & low temps. in his enclosure? Any power failures?

BTW- if it's a regurge, it will typically smell bad enough to make you feel like joining in. And yes, this appears to me to be a regurge, just from your photo.

How long have you had this BP? Any other snakes? Any new ones?

A regurgitation is always a potential "health concern" but it's too early to tell if this is a "one-off" or an real issue- it also depends on your answers to above questions.

I watched him while the rat was still alive then left him alone to swallow in peace once I was sure it was dead. I checked in briefly maybe half an hour later to confirm that he'd finished and he seemed fine. It's the first time I've fed him live but I know that's what he was given before I got him.

I've had Simon for 4 years and two other ball pythons for 3 years. Their thermostats are set to turn off at 98F and as far as I know there haven't been any power outages. I didn't notice a smell from the dead rat but I don't have a great sense of smell to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Maaarble

I watched him while the rat was still alive then left him alone to swallow in peace once I was sure it was dead. I checked in briefly maybe half an hour later to confirm that he'd finished and he seemed fine. It's the first time I've fed him live but I know that's what he was given before I got him.

I've had Simon for 4 years and two other ball pythons for 3 years. Their thermostats are set to turn off at 98F and as far as I know there haven't been any power outages. I didn't notice a smell from the dead rat but I don't have a great sense of smell to begin with.

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You need to check -immediately!- what the temps are in your snakes' enclosures where the heat is located- specifically, INSIDE the enclosure, under a warm-side hide or wherever the temps. are the highest. 98* is TOO HOT. Many snakes (BPs especially) get burned when in contact with surface temps over 90*- seemingly they don't realize the harm until it's too late, but in your case, your snake MIGHT have realized it's too hot & therefore avoided the warm areas...but then was too chilly to digest well- hence the regurgitation.

Note- you cannot rely on what a t-stat is set to- you need to double check what the actual temps are INSIDE the enclosure where the snake can touch (underneath substrate also, because they often push it aside) with an IR/laser temp gun or other accurate thermometer.

This time of year, most of us use A/C for our own comfort, so it's essential that you adjust the temps. provided for all your snakes to be sure they have the proper & SAFE range of warmth. BPs need about 78* lowest & 88-90* warmest, with matching hides on each side so they aren't "forced" to choose their sense of security over the temperatures they require to digest & function.

The only way a regurgitated rat might not smell really gross is if it was left to dehydrate under the warmest part of the cage, but it takes days to become that dry. I know of no one that cannot smell a regurgitated rodent, so perhaps this actually is funky stool? Stool doesn't smell good either but a regurge is THE worst, & either way, it's not a good thing (judging from the appearance shown in your photo).

It probably was regurgitated and dried out over the few days I hadn't checked on him. His enclosure is the one in the middle and it has hides on both sides as well as a large tube hide in-between. I'll decrease the thermostat to 90*F.

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Originally Posted by Maaarble

... I'll decrease the thermostat to 90*F...

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:gj: But, be sure to check what the inside temps actually are- the heat builds up, especially with enclosures that aren't tall. T-stats only tell you what they're TRYING to do, NOT what they're actually achieving. ;) I know you want your :snake:s to be safe...

BTW, using these tubs w/ minimal air-flow (as is common with BPs) would also explain why you didn't notice the awful regurge smell.