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  • 11-26-2005, 07:37 PM
    herplover92
    morph questions
    i am getting a 100% het albino male. i want to experiment by crossing difrent morphs so i want to know what will the following crosses turn out to be.

    100% het albino*100%het piebald=
    100% het albino*100%het pastel=
  • 11-26-2005, 07:54 PM
    daniel1983
    Re: morph questions
    A het albino to het pied would give you normal appearing babies that have a 50% chance of being het for albino and a 50% chance of being het for pied...therefore, each offspring would have a 25% chance of being Double heterozygous for both albino and pied.

    A het albino to pastel breeding would yeild normals appearing babies that are 50% possible het albino, and pastels that are 50% chance of being het for albino
  • 11-26-2005, 08:14 PM
    herplover92
    Re: morph questions
    is there any way of getting a cross 2 morphs with 100% het of 2 morphs for example pastel pied ball.
  • 11-26-2005, 08:32 PM
    tigerlily
    Re: morph questions
    I'm going to refer you to one of Daniel's other posts, with links to sites on genetics. Genetics are a bit complicated, and it's kinda difficult to go over all the scenarios in which you might be able to produce a snake with two different traits. I hope this helps a bit.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by daniel1983
    Sounds like you need to read up on some genetics :) Here are some good links:

    http://www.newenglandreptile.com/care.html (scroll to the bottom for articles)
    http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/matrix/squares.asp
    http://www.ballpython.ca/genetics.html (great visuals)

  • 11-26-2005, 09:24 PM
    herplover92
    Re: morph questions
    thank, now i understand.
  • 11-27-2005, 05:29 AM
    ddbjdealer
    Re: morph questions
    LOL... really?? Cause I've been studying this for about four months, and I STILL don't understand! (some of the time!!) lol :)
  • 11-27-2005, 09:17 AM
    herplover92
    Re: morph questions
    its very complicated, but atleast i understand the part that i am working with(recesive genes)
  • 11-27-2005, 10:13 AM
    RandyRemington
    Re: morph questions
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by herplover92
    is there any way of getting a cross 2 morphs with 100% het of 2 morphs for example pastel pied ball.

    Yes, but it takes luck in addition to the usual time. For this project I would recommend a female het pied and a male pastel. Breed them and keep all the male pastels. Breed them back to mom (maybe one per year) and hope one of those male pastels is also het pied.

    This project would be easier than a purely recessive project because you can see the het pastels. Also, if you believe that some het pieds show you could pick your original het female with what you look for and hope to see it in one of her pastel sons to get the right pair to together the first try. Also, since you aren't going for a double homozygous like say a snow project you don't need to grow a 2nd generation female up - the original het pied female can produce a pastel piebald bred to the right double het male. It generally takes a lot longer to grow up females than males so planning a project that requires fewer female generations should speed things up.
  • 11-27-2005, 05:22 PM
    Adam_Wysocki
    Re: morph questions
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RandyRemington
    This project would be easier than a purely recessive project because you can see the het pastels. Also, if you believe that some het pieds show you could pick your original het female with what you look for and hope to see it in one of her pastel sons to get the right pair to together the first try. Also, since you aren't going for a double homozygous like say a snow project you don't need to grow a 2nd generation female up - the original het pied female can produce a pastel piebald bred to the right double het male. It generally takes a lot longer to grow up females than males so planning a project that requires fewer female generations should speed things up.

    Read that 10 times real fast!! ... LOL ... Good insight Randy! (I think) ;)

    -adam
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