1st BP - Need help Id'ing

Hi everyone.

I just got sucked into the BP world coming from being a parent of chameleons for almost 10 years. Now that I moved to Puerto Rico, chams are deemed "illegal" here but BP's are fine, and I have to keep on going with my passion for reptiles.

Long story short, I just got a stunning female BP and I was told that she's Woma, but upon researching and learning from many guys here, I think there's something more in there. I believe she has Woma+Fire+Something else?=

Let me know your opinions on this and thanks y'all!

Here's a few pictures of her:

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/UI8OamB.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ur.com/UI8OamBhttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ur.com/EbfMXjb


https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/EbfMXjb.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/eD34SV8.jpg

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Originally Posted by chino

Hi everyone.

I just got sucked into the BP world coming from being a parent of chameleons for almost 10 years. Now that I moved to Puerto Rico, chams are deemed "illegal" here but BP's are fine, and I have to keep on going with my passion for reptiles.

Long story short, I just got a stunning female BP and I was told that she's Woma, but upon researching and learning from many guys here, I think there's something more in there. I believe she has Woma+Fire+Something else?=

Let me know your opinions on this and thanks y'all!

Here's a few pictures of her:

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/UI8OamB.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ur.com/UI8OamBhttps://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...ur.com/EbfMXjb


https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/EbfMXjb.jpg

https://ball-pythons.net/forums/cach...om/eD34SV8.jpg

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I am no expert but there is definitely a spider gene at play, but i could be way wrong as well. lol

Looks like she could be a woma fire. I don't see anything else that makes me think there is anything else, the pattern looks pretty typical to the womas I've seen but she does look pretty bright and that's a pretty obvious head stamp so I think she could be fire too. Depending on where you got her, especially if it was an experienced breeder, I would trust the breeders judgement though so she could just be a nice woma if that is what she was sold as. Pretty snake either way, welcome and congrats!

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Originally Posted by Albert420

I am no expert but there is definitely a spider gene at play, but i could be way wrong as well. lol

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No, there is no spider, that is the woma you're seeing. It is very similar in how reduced it is and a lot of people confuse them.

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Originally Posted by rufretic

No, there is no spider, that is the woma you're seeing. It is very similar in how reduced it is and a lot of people confuse them.

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It could be a woma spider, I saw a similar one on morph market sold as woma spider.

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Originally Posted by Alexiel03

It could be a woma spider, I saw a similar one on morph market sold as woma spider.

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Do not believe everything you see on morphmarket, people can list whatever they want, literally 1000s of mis-IDed animals on there. I've noticed a lot of breeders doing this, listing both morphs of animals they can't ID. It's especially common for animals like yb/asphalt, they don't know which it is so they list both. Could be the same for what you saw, spider or woma not both. I don't even believe there is a living example of that combo, I believe it would be lethal like all the other wobble complex animals, you can't mix them successfully as far as I've seen.

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Originally Posted by rufretic

Looks like she could be a woma fire. I don't see anything else that makes me think there is anything else, the pattern looks pretty typical to the womas I've seen but she does look pretty bright and that's a pretty obvious head stamp so I think she could be fire too. Depending on where you got her, especially if it was an experienced breeder, I would trust the breeders judgement though so she could just be a nice woma if that is what she was sold as. Pretty snake either way, welcome and congrats!

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I got it from a pet store and the owner started breeding BP not long ago. This specific female was sold to him by another local breeder. The owner told me the breeder sold it as Woma, and that's it.

But as you mentioned, another breeder also told me that he also believes there is some Fire in there. So what should I go with? Woma or Woma+Fire?

Thanks for your inputs!

I'm with Rufretic that this is an exceptionally Bright Woma.

With the patterning/colors it is unclear if the Fire gene is present. The longer I look the less I see it. :)

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Originally Posted by rufretic

Do not believe everything you see on morphmarket, people can list whatever they want, literally 1000s of mis-IDed animals on there. I've noticed a lot of breeders doing this, listing both morphs of animals they can't ID. It's especially common for animals like yb/asphalt, they don't know which it is so they list both. Could be the same for what you saw, spider or woma not both. I don't even believe there is a living example of that combo, I believe it would be lethal like all the other wobble complex animals, you can't mix them successfully as far as I've seen.

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Very true, and I forgot about the spider woma combo being lethal lol
In that case I think its just a nice woma.

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That is a very good looking Woma.

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