please help me ID these morphs
Hello.
I am fairly new too breeding ball pythons. But i managed to get some hatclings in november :).
Now i am trying to guess what is in them, and hope I can get a bit of help from here.
The parring was: Blaze-Butter-Enchi-Fire X Pastel
The first one: I think this is Butter-Fire-Pastel
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/1-1-1.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/1-2-1.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/1-3-1.jpg
The Second: I Think this is Enchi-Pastel
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/2-1-2.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/2-2-2.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/2-3-2.jpg
The third: I Think this is Butter-Fire
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/3-1-3.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/3-2-3.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/3-3-3.jpg
The fourth: I think Butter-Enchi
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/4-1-4.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/4-2-4.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/4-3-4.jpg
The Fifth: I Think Fire-Pastel.
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/5-1-5.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/5-2-5.jpg
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil.../4/1/5-3-5.jpg
That was the first 5 hatchlings :)
I hope the quality of the pictures is good enough for ID. Next week i may be able too post photos from a camera if needed.
Also this is my first post, but hopefully not the last. So if I have done anything wrong please let me now.... and forgive :)
Thank you all in advance, and my you all have a lovely day.
Martin
Re: please help me ID these morphs
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Ultimo5
The parring was: Blaze-Butter-Enchi-Fire X Pastel
Blaze is a dominant trait. In the pairing listed you should have aprox. 50% of the offspring with this gene. I've only see two or three Blaze and they had reduced pattern, a slightly brighter color, and a black dot under the eye. I am not sure if the dot is actually linked to the morph...or just another trait tagging along genetically. Since you are working with it: Perhaps you can clarify how you ID this gene? :)
Re: please help me ID these morphs
thx for commenting.
Im really not sure how to identify blaze with 100% certainty.
The second snake might have blaze in. There are dots on the upperlip The belly is greyish and almost patternless. And the orange/yellow are more deep in color than I would expect.
From what I understand from the blaze gene, It is easier to identify when the snakes are about 400grams.
Again. This is my first clutch of hatchlings, so identifying them is almost just a guessing game for me :)
Re: please help me ID these morphs
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Ultimo5
The second snake might have blaze in.
Yes, I thought the second snake was too bright, and the fifth snake didn't look like Fire to my eyes.
I think that #2 is a Blaze Enchi Pastel and #5 is a Blaze Pastel.
I'm quite impressed by snake #2--the color and patterning. I've seen a german breeder with a Blaze Enchi a while back and the Enchi banding was flawless. One more morph to add to my shopping list! :)
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#5 The reason i think it is fire and not blaxe, is because the color between the black on the dorsal stripe is more a golden color. But yeah, It could be blaze instead of fire.
But yeah, number 2 is insane in real life. :)
I have told myself i can only keep 2 hatchlings from the clutch of 7(2 not showing). And im pretty sure #2 is one of them :)
How common is blaze in the states?
Re: please help me ID these morphs
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Ultimo5
How common is blaze in the states?
In the NorthEast USA---Very Rare. I've seen a lot of genes get relabeled by various breeders to try and spur interest: Only once I remember seeing Blaze, but, I didn't look at the snake because the breeder had renamed a lot of the genes and I couldn't be bothered to guess what they really were...
Re: please help me ID these morphs
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Ultimo5
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Ultimo5
I hatched out a similar clutch, minus the blaze and Enchi, I don't know a lot about blaze but here are my guesses based on what I have produced or seen.
#1 butter blaze pastel (maybe fire)
Here is the butter fire pastel I hatched, used as a reference when i was identifying yours.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...6788fa2421.jpg
#2 enchi pastel blaze
#3 butter fire blaze.
This is what I usually expect butter fires to look like, yours has a more blushed head but does not look like its blushing from the pastel gene.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f06807bb84.jpg
#4 butter enchi
#5 fire pastel possibly blaze.
This is the fire pastel I hatched as reference. The color on yours seems off for just a pastel fire in my opinion.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...25123b9aa6.jpg
Hope this helped, that's a beautiful clutch for sure!
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Re: please help me ID these morphs
Thank you for uploading images to comparrison :)
Yeah I can see there a differents between your hatchlings and mine.
I have just taken a comparison photo of my number 1 and 3
Could there actualy be pastel in both?
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...nake1and32.jpg
Re: please help me ID these morphs
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Originally Posted by
Ultimo5
Thank you for uploading images to comparrison :)
Yeah I can see there a differents between your hatchlings and mine.
I have just taken a comparison photo of my number 1 and 3
Could there actualy be pastel in both?
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...nake1and32.jpg
You're Welcome[emoji4] In my opinion, #1 could possibly have pastel, but i dont think #2 does, it would look a lot like #1 if it had pastel.
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