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Black Morphs?

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  • 12-16-2019, 10:33 PM
    Fasfer
    Black Morphs?
    I was wondering if there was a black morph for BPs that's actually black? I know there's a "Super Sable" but that morph is a no-no, and it's not actually black, it's brown. I also know Axanthic is an option, but I'm talking more of a morph that has no marking on it - like the blue eyed leucistic gene - to give it that jet black appearance. I've tried finding some; looking through MorphMarket, threads on here, and google, but a lot of the solid black BPs have not been actual BPs or have been photo-shopped.

    Am I just dumb?

    Thank y'all in advance for the help! And sorry if this has already been asked.
  • 12-16-2019, 11:37 PM
    AzJohn
    Re: Black Morphs?
    A lot of the solid black morphs have some risk of birth defects, mainly kinking of the spine. A super mahogany would be a good choice if you want a very dark snake with out the risk.
  • 12-16-2019, 11:58 PM
    Fasfer
    Re: Black Morphs?
    Yeah, I found some info on the Super Black Pastels having severe issues: kinks, wobbles etc.. So bad in some cases, a few breeders even have them marked as a "Lethal" morph, which is unfortunate because they are gorgeous snakes. I just didn't know if there was any that were worth getting, that wouldn't support the breeding of bad genes and gene traits. This helps, though! I'll definitely check 'em out.
  • 12-18-2019, 08:11 AM
    Hannahshissyfix
    Re: Black Morphs?
    As mentioned, the cinny/black pastel supers are likely to have issues. If you just want one as a pet it's not impossible to find one without issues but I wouldn't purposely breed for your own. I have hatched a bunch of Sumas and they're a really dark brown on their own but you can add ghi or a few other genes to them to make them closer to a black color which is my plan. Here are a few of my het pied sumas. They're a cool silvery black before first shed.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f050927e25.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6a629a5e6c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e5fd1b82d5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...286c06baf9.jpg

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  • 12-18-2019, 12:15 PM
    asplundii
    So far, even the darkest looking combos as babies have grown up to be more deep brown as adults. I JKR's original SUMA Cinny at NARBC four years ago and it was deep black but as it matured it browned out with the ontogenic change. The SUMA GHI was, likewise, a very dark animal but it had traces of pattern on it and the last pic I saw of it it was also starting to get that brown tone to it.

    I would suspect that tadding something like Axanthic or DesertGhost, which act to strip down some of the xanthin expression, would work to make a cleaner/darker combo as an adult but the only way to know for sure would be to make it and see
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