Anyone own and breed angolan pythongs

I could use some help, I decided to add different species of pythons to my breeding program and picked up a pair of Angolan Pythons last year before winter temps hit. I initially was very excited because I negotiated a very fair price but when they arrived I was very upset with this purchase. They came from a "reputable breeder" and they were advertise as sub adults with the male ready to breed and female almost there. I'm ashamed to admit I assumed the sub adult would be 1 to 2 year old snake fairly young and not a maintenance fed adult, I should have asked more questions. The female turned out to be a 2013 and came to me at 530 grams and the male is a 2011 that came in at 1020 grams , they were the most skittish snakes I have ever had (musking every time they were handled). I was so angry I wanted to send these snakes back but due to winter temps I could not. After back and forth with the "seller" I decided to take this as a lesson and ask more questions before purchasing online. I chose to place them on a weekly feeding schedule slowly increasing the size of their prey, glad to report they are really flourishing. The female is now 1581 gm and the male is 1311 gm, they handle much better now and don't musk but the male is still a little skittish.

As I purchased these with the intentions to breed I was wondering if anyone here breeds Angolans. Do people drop temps to cycle them (I don't drop temps for my BPS) and what is considered the appropriate size to breed a female and male? Any other tips would be greatly.

Can't help you, unfortunately but hoping some can chime in with more information...but it's always "buyer beware".

Apparently the skittishness is typical...they look so much like BPs (esp. their faces) but some big differences with different needs too (less humidity etc), so I'm not
happy to see that some are already crossing them with ball pythons, to make "Angry Balls". :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJyPPmLgDEg :rolleyes:

Don't know if any of these folks will share info but no harm asking, eh? Angolans appear to be a lot more active, bold (nippy?) and eager feeders...very interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mxn3WeusrE

BTW, I sure hope we talking about snakes here, & not some sort of underwear? "pyTHONGS" -? :rofl:

https://www.cafepress.com/+ball_pyth...hong,224130449

wait whut? :ninja:

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Originally Posted by dr del

https://www.cafepress.com/+ball_pyth...hong,224130449

wait whut? :ninja:

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That begs the question...how do YOU know about these? :D

They showed up on the cafe press ball-python.net store when we used them for our t-shirts - honest guv! :oops:

Oh sure...:rolleyes:

I'm sorry I found this so late!

I have Angolans. They are 2012s. I don't have weights on them, but the female is somewhere around 5 1/2 feet in length. The male is about a foot shorter and lighter built. He has been much easier to keep from becoming obese than she has. Note, that I have not bred them. Tried once last season, but the female wasn't having it, being runny and shrugging the male off. Been kinda waiting for the female to give me a sign before I try again.

In general, it seems four years of age and ~2000 grams for females, anywhere from 1000-1500 grams for males.

Based on the behavior I've seen, what I've read, and their place of origin, I would recommend a temp drop. At least at night. There was a VPI's article on them from way back. Still a pretty good source:
http://www.vpi.com/sites/default/fil...arium001_4.pdf

In the meantime, I'm just happy to see someone else working with them. I've found them to be fantastic, easy to care for compared to BPs, and very inquisitive. Love Angolans :)

Hello Alicia,
I was looking at Angolan's and wanted to keep them in tubs for space reasons. The breeder I communicated with said tubs are ok for starting , but Adults will require a 4x2 cage due to being more active.
Do you find this the case with your 2 animals?