Thoughts on Hybrids?

How does everyone feel about the super angry ball hybrids? It has probably been brought up before. I just saw one for the first time today. Positive? Negative? Undecided?


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Originally Posted by Jbabycsx

How does everyone feel about the super angry ball hybrids? It has probably been brought up before. I just saw one for the first time today. Positive? Negative? Undecided?


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I have never heard of them ...I will google now .

I do love Hybrids in general though ..

Here is my very own :)

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You want Super Angry, just reach into my Olive Python’s enclosure while she is in it. She’ll show you what for now! :D

So...a Super Angry Royal is a 50% Angolan python, 25% Blood python, and 25% Ball python. The breeder put his male Angolan to a SuperBall (Blood x Ball) python he had to create this new hybrid.

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I ran across them while looking for an axanthic BP today. The breeders name is Juggernaut Reptiles in New York. Makes you wonder what else you can breed to a BP.


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I have nothing against hybrids as long as they are properly labeled, however, a lot of breeders do not want to lose a season with a female that may not lay eggs from a low probability cross: so they will mate her with a same species of male (just in case). Depending upon genetic assortment they might end up with a hybrid that looks a lot more like one species than the other and label it wrong.

This happened to a friend of mine and he ended up with a female SuperBall: when confronted the breeder explained the situation to him. My friend did keep the female and failed repeatedly to breed her back to a ball python in the following years, he showed me a video and male ball pythons exhibited sheer terror when in any proximity to her. Last I heard she was a display pet only.

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Originally Posted by Lord Sorril

I have nothing against hybrids as long as they are properly labeled,
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I think that's the way to look at this type of thing .


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I honestly don't know enough about it. But my initial reaction is: as long as the animals are healthy, unharmed and can live normal lives I guess I don't oppose it.

But, I'm also forced to wonder WHY???
I just don't see the need. There are already so many amazing species, why mess with nature that way? Between all the species of snakes in the hobby, plus all the morph options, isn't that enough?

Like I said, the animals health is the most important thing.
But you'll never see me with a scaleless or hybrid snake.
But, that's just me....

I don't like it when the species used come from very different regions and have quite the different care requirements.

Such as breeding Balls with Bloods.

Just because you breed one BP with one Blood doesn't mean you get a 50/50 hatchling. Each hatchling could have more genetic material from one parent or the other. What you have is a "crap shot" as to what husbandry you should apply. Sure, you could go with middle ground regarding temps, humidity and such. But if the hatchling is fussy, you never know is it because its just shy, do I need to lower, raise temps, or ???

Since I like to have my husbandry just right when it comes to species, or as close as to perfect I can get, I don't like to play the guessing game and its not fair to the animal.

Some hybrids occur in nature, when the species is from the same general area and climate. But you would never have a species from Southeast Asia come across a species from Western to Central Africa.

As to "properly labeled" and responsibly done.

Yeah, that never works for long. Perhaps at one point someone properly labeled. Then it got sold. And someone (like most people do) thought, I want to breed this. Or sell it. Might sell easier if not told exactly what it is.

With some species you can quickly muddy up the gene pool or locality.

I'm with Craig on that one, it seems to me people do it because "they can". A regular blood or ball doesn't make much money, but call it a angry ball, whoa, bunch more $$$.