Dwarfs???

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Originally Posted by vinnimac

Dwarf Reticulated python

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its not a "dwarf", the size is based on locality

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Originally Posted by rex322

its not a "dwarf", the size is based on locality

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Can you explain the difference please?

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

Can you explain the difference please?

-adam

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wouldnt dwarf be saying a smaller size of the same snake? that be saying same locale and everything, while the dwarf retics are just retics that stay smaller and are from a different locale. its not a bloodline or anything in a normal retic, ones that get big, its just snakes from a different locality. you can still call them dwarf, i was just saying its based on locale.

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Originally Posted by rex322

you can still call them dwarf

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But in your original post you said "it's not a dwarf", so I’m confused.

I would think that the jury is still out and it's way too early to talk in absolutes about what the dwarf and super dwarf retics are and are not.

From what I understand, locality specific or not, at the moment they are all classified as the same species and there are "versions" of that species that remain dramatically smaller than the rest. I think the smaller "versions" would in laymen’s terms be the epitome of what normal people think of when they hear the word "dwarf".

Herpetologists and biologist might take us down a different road in the future, but based on what we know today, I don't think you can fault a person for using the words "dwarf retic".

Just my $.02.

-adam

i wasnt faulting anyone for it, i was just saying. idk alot about retics, so im going on what was explained to me. while yes, you can get say a jampea retic, that will grow to be huge, or grow to be small. its all based on bloodline now that i actually think about it. most likly, you breed a huge retic to a huge retic, offspring will probly be huge....breed a smaller one to a smaller one, smaller offspring and so on..

from what i was told, dwarf is based on locality. i was just expressing what i was told. at least i didnt day a jampea retic would get to be only 7' like this guy told me at a reptile show i went to :)

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Originally Posted by rex322

from what i was told, dwarf is based on locality.

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Ok then, which locality?

Why can't the animals that don't grow as large as the other retics that are from the locality that you were told they are based on be called dwarfs?

I'm not disputing any type of knowledge you have about retic localities, I just don't understand why you would tell someone that

"it's not a dwarf"

Seems like animals and their offspring that consistently don't grow as large the rest of the animals in their species (be it from locality, bloodline, genetics, whatever you want to say) would in fact be dwarfs.

-adam

I had to split this one off since I wanted to comment and it was in a 'my favorite snake thread"...hope you guys dont mind :D

dwarf retics, dwarf boas, dwarf burms, etc..... I also agree that 'dwarfism' in snakes is just a locality or subspecies based characteristic. I know of some of the locality info on the three that I listed above.....but what I was wondering if ball pythons from a certain locations generally have differences in sizes? ....I would not think so due to the distribution of ball pythons.....many of the other smaller varieties of boas or pythons are due to the fact that groups have been isolated (i.e. on islands) from other groups of the same species and allowed to 'evolve' independantly...I dont see ball pythons having that kinda seperation...

i was just told that it was locality...thats all i was stating

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

I had to split this one off since I wanted to comment and it was in a 'my favorite snake thread"...hope you guys dont mind :D

dwarf retics, dwarf boas, dwarf burms, etc..... I also agree that 'dwarfism' in snakes is just a locality or subspecies based characteristic. I know of some of the locality info on the three that I listed above.....but what I was wondering if ball pythons from a certain locations generally have differences in sizes? ....I would not think so due to the distribution of ball pythons.....many of the other smaller varieties of boas or pythons are due to the fact that groups have been isolated (i.e. on islands) from other groups of the same species and allowed to 'evolve' independantly...I dont see ball pythons having that kinda seperation...

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Oddly enough, many extreme hyper mel ball pythons seem to stay small and breed much smaller than normal. I have a pair that has been wicked tiny for 7 years now and they breed and produce great and eat like machines. I know other breeders that have the same.

I don't think anyone has gone out on a limb to try a controlled study and see just how much smaller these animals stay once bred out, but the possibility of selectively breeding them for a smaller ball I think is certainly possible.

-adam

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Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki

I don't think anyone has gone out on a limb to try a controlled study and see just how much smaller these animals stay once bred out, but the possibility of selectively breeding them for a smaller ball I think is certainly possible.

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or selectively breeding for bigger balls :twisted: ....ball pythons are already small enough IMO