Pastel clown or killer clown

When this guy hatched I thought he was killer clown, after his first shed I’m not sure and would like some opinions. So what do you think, is he a pastel clown or killer clown?
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I'm still trying to learn all my ball python genetics and there's soooo much overlap and variance in the morphs...So I hope a breeder can correct me if anything.
But from what I've seen, pastel is one of those genes where it doesn't always display as written. There's a good amount of blushing on the darker patterns and the back of the head is so pale. But it still isn't as light as some killers.

It could just be a lower quality visual killer. But the only way to be sure is by breeding it out. Obviously the killer would throw all pastels in a clutch.
If it was my hatching, I would sell it as a high visual pastel clown, possible killer. That way all your bases are covered in case it does indeed just turn out to be a very nice pastel.

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Originally Posted by Armiyana

It could just be a lower quality visual killer. But the only way to be sure is by breeding it out. Obviously the killer would throw all pastels in a clutch.
If it was my hatching, I would sell it as a high visual pastel clown, possible killer. That way all your bases are covered in case it does indeed just turn out to be a very nice pastel.

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I agree with this.
It's a tough call.

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Originally Posted by rufretic

When this guy hatched I thought he was killer clown, after his first shed I’m not sure and would like some opinions. So what do you think, is he a pastel clown or killer clown?
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That is flamin gorgeous !!


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Pastel Clown

Thanks everyone.

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Originally Posted by Deborah

Pastel Clown

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This is what I was leaning towards but was hoping someone with more experience in clown hatchlings would confirm, so thanks for that Deb.

So what will we be looking for if it was a super?… I am trying to figure it out for myself… I plan on working with the same project, but I have an adult male super, and trying to figure out what am I looking for to say if he is super or just carrying one gene?


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Originally Posted by Ronniex2

So what will we be looking for if it was a super?… I am trying to figure it out for myself… I plan on working with the same project, but I have an adult male super, and trying to figure out what am I looking for to say if he is super or just carrying one gene?


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Blushing would likely be so extreme that even the edges didn't look black in most places, but rather a dark grey or even faded line. Head stamp would likely be so extreme that it had very faint dots if anything left of black. Side pattern would be a lot more thinned out, but still somewhat round in clowns instead of blocky, would have smaller and broken up "eyes". Main color should be closer to a pale yellow instead of golden yellow to mustard - though would likely fade somewhat with age like most pastels.