Champagne x Ghost x Spider

I cannot find pictures of this anywhere.

Checked morph market.
Checked world of bp morph list.
Google searched.

Has this been done?

I've been gone awhile so not sure if there are other resources I am missing.

I am debating on getting a mimosa for my honeybee...

Champagne x Spider is lethal, I believe

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Originally Posted by Slicercrush

Champagne x Spider is lethal, I believe

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You are correct.

Very sad to hear. That would explain why I haven't seen it... back to the drawing board I guess.

The spider gene needs to be mapped out so we can see what all is going on. I still feel as though it is a co-dom and the super is lethal. :(

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Very sad to hear. That would explain why I haven't seen it... back to the drawing board I guess.

The spider gene needs to be mapped out so we can see what all is going on. I still feel as though it is a co-dom and the super is lethal. :(

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If you're looking for a good reference for lethal combos/gene issues, this is a good one: http://www.owalreptiles.com/issues.php

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

I still feel as though it is a co-dom and the super is lethal. :(

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There are a number of us who have been saying this for years... And for years we have been roundly ignored/lambasted.

OWAL did a decent write up summarizing the thoughts of us a couple years ago: http://www.owalreptiles.com/superspider.php

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Originally Posted by asplundii

There are a number of us who have been saying this for years... And for years we have been roundly ignored/lambasted.

OWAL did a decent write up summarizing the thoughts of us a couple years ago: http://www.owalreptiles.com/superspider.php

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I just read that yesterday. Pretty good points, but like you said people have been saying it for years. Its sad that this gene affects the neurological side of the animal, because it is a beautiful display and the super, from the few I have seen that died in egg, were all pretty and silver too.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Very sad to hear. That would explain why I haven't seen it... back to the drawing board I guess.

The spider gene needs to be mapped out so we can see what all is going on. I still feel as though it is a co-dom and the super is lethal. :(

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I feel the same.

Wouldn’t spider HAVE to be a co-dominant trait? Since it was proven allelic to blackhead? Would that be possible if the spider gene is dominant?

edit: the jaguar gene in carpet pythons is considered to be analogous to the spider gene in ball pythons, if I’m not mistaken, with the super being a leucistic all white snake. Very similar to the supposed stillborn super spiders. This is also a lethal gene combo in carpets.

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Originally Posted by Trisnake

edit: the jaguar gene in carpet pythons is considered to be analogous to the spider gene in ball pythons, if I’m not mistaken, with the super being a leucistic all white snake. Very similar to the supposed stillborn super spiders. This is also a lethal gene combo in carpets.

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Nick Mutton wrote up a nice piece for HerpNation (back in 2016, when it was still functional) saying exactly this. It has been cloned here, minus pics: http://www.iherp.com/Public/Blog/Detail.aspx?uid=177785

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Originally Posted by Trisnake

I feel the same.

Wouldn’t spider HAVE to be a co-dominant trait? Since it was proven allelic to blackhead? Would that be possible if the spider gene is dominant?

edit: the jaguar gene in carpet pythons is considered to be analogous to the spider gene in ball pythons, if I’m not mistaken, with the super being a leucistic all white snake. Very similar to the supposed stillborn super spiders. This is also a lethal gene combo in carpets.

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The way we refer to co-dom, dom and such is just how the single mutant gene looks in heterozygous and homozygous forms. Other genes have no baring on it. It being allelic proves that there is zero reason for the super spider not to exist, as the locus doesn't have any issues.
If you can make super blackheads, you can make super spiders, and ignoring all other evidence, we can still ask what's the logical conclusion based of this alone. It's lethal.