Please Id these

From pastel lesser spider fire x lemon blast

I don't know if they are fire pastel lesser, super pastel lesser, or super pastel fire lesser

First snake 2 photos:
https://i.imgur.com/ZuFdFgI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ToO15I0.jpg

Second snake:
https://i.imgur.com/XCJv8Ns.jpg

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i'm no expert but my guess is that both are Super Pastel Lesser Fire. i'm not looking at coloration or side pattern or head to confirm Fire. Fire sometimes makes skinny dorsal stripes when paired w/ BEL or 8-Ball complex animals. my Black Fire has similar striping.

My guess is going to be firefly lesser based only on the fact that I think the head stamp would be washed completely out of it had super pastel but they are too bright to be anything less than firefly lesser. Honestly though, looking at wobp pictures of all the combos mentioned, they are all very similar and I’m not sure I can even tell a definite difference lol.

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Originally Posted by rufretic

Honestly though, looking at wobp pictures of all the combos mentioned, they are all very similar and I’m not sure I can even tell a definite difference lol.

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I know right? That's why I am having issues with this I'D.

So one person thinks lesser superfly one person thinks lesser firefly... anyone know how to tell for sure?

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Originally Posted by rufretic

My guess is going to be firefly lesser based only on the fact that I think the head stamp would be washed completely out of it had super pastel but they are too bright to be anything less than firefly lesser. Honestly though, looking at wobp pictures of all the combos mentioned, they are all very similar and I’m not sure I can even tell a definite difference lol.

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tho they tend to be washed out, Super Pastels have noticeable outlines. i think the remaining coloring is more of an influence from the Fire (headstamp). Edit: i also think the washed out is an indication of it being a Super, a Pastel would be blushed.

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Originally Posted by hungba

I know right? That's why I am having issues with this I'D.

So one person thinks lesser superfly one person thinks lesser firefly... anyone know how to tell for sure?

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hold them back and breed them out is the only way for sure. if Pastel's and Pastel combo's are in every egg, it's a Super. (but real experts may still weigh in :) )

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Originally Posted by Ax01

hold them back and breed them out is the only way for sure. if Pastel's and Pastel combo's are in every egg, it's a Super. (but real experts may still weigh in :) )

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No I do not want to hold them back. I want to figure out what they are so I can sell them ASAP. I am trying to get out of breeding altogether and just keep a few as pets from now on.

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Originally Posted by hungba

No I do not want to hold them back. I want to figure out what they are so I can sell them ASAP. I am trying to get out of breeding altogether and just keep a few as pets from now on.

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I think these ones could go either way firefly or superfly but if your not sure it is better to sell as less because if you sell them as something more than what they are and they don’t prove out the buyer will be mad and possibly come back to you whereas if you sell as less, nodody complains about getting more. I’m pretty sure most breeders go this route. If you sell it as firefly lesser, you could always note ‘possible superfly’