Pied clutch ID

So I thought I had this ID thing down but after approaching my friends for their thoughts and opinions they think my adult pied girls have something else going on because of their hatchings. This is my first season breeding recessives so I need some help identifying if indeed something else is going on.

First hatching
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b4e9bd130f.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f3bd48f061.jpg

To me it looks like a regular pied and I think it's just a pied but I've heard people say the orange color is off, no clue what that means and no one really gives me an explanation.

2nd Hatchling
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...695d0adc64.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...6561c36404.jpg

The pattern on this one threw me off, I'm guessing this might be an enchi pied.

So yea I'm of the opinion they are a pied and possibly an enchi pied. Let me know what you guys think.



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I think enchi's would have a clover stamp on their head. They are beautiful!

Low-white pieds can have enchi-ish patterns. The color on the second hatchling doesn't look enchi to me. Do you have pics of the parents?

My low white girl for comparison.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...be2fd09d37.jpg

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I don't see enchi. Pieds are super variable, probably the most variable color/pattern phase next to normals.

Cant help with the ID, but I'll take the first one off your hands if its not up to par....