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  • 06-14-2017, 11:53 AM
    JodanOrNoDan
    Rate A Single Gene Morph Poll #2
    In the interest of a thread I started awhile back about rating single gene morphs I am going to make myself victim number 1. This is poll #2 in a series. Please vote honestly. If you do not like the animal I will not take it personally. I am purposely not saying what the morph is. Pictures were taken with an iphone with the animal inside a light tent. There was no flash used and no enhancements were applied. I expect varied results with this one. I personally think every specimen of this morph trends to the ugly but it does wonders when added to other stuff. Please try to remember this poll is more about desired traits than beauty.

    Second up. 10 month old female at 1150 grams.

    https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...1/img_1079.jpg
  • 06-14-2017, 01:20 PM
    Craiga 01453
    Ok, so being pretty new to morphs, I'm not quite sure how to reply to these polls. So I'm not sure you want me to.

    For example, I am pretty sure I know what #3 is and I've got what I think is a pretty good guess at #2.

    I want to participate and learn and I also want to answer honestly to help to benefit your poll.
  • 06-14-2017, 01:24 PM
    AbsoluteApril
    Personally, if I'm not 100% sure of what the morph is, I've been using the 'I don't know what it is' option just to be safe.
    I'm not liking the wording "I don't like it" because I like all snakes but I've chosen that on one of the other polls simply because I didn't think it was a 'knock your socks off' example of the morph. I hope I am using the poll as you intended Jordan!
    :oops:
  • 06-14-2017, 02:38 PM
    JodanOrNoDan
    Re: Rate A Single Gene Morph Poll #2
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril View Post
    Personally, if I'm not 100% sure of what the morph is, I've been using the 'I don't know what it is' option just to be safe.
    I'm not liking the wording "I don't like it" because I like all snakes but I've chosen that on one of the other polls simply because I didn't think it was a 'knock your socks off' example of the morph. I hope I am using the poll as you intended Jordan!
    :oops:

    The idea here was to first separate those that could accurately identify the morph and those that could not then hopefully get an opinion. There are limitations to the polls here so I have to trust the people that say they know what it is to really know. Poll #3 is showing that my methodology may be a little flawed since there are many people that have problems identifying that particular morph in the first place.

    My goals are three fold. The first was to get an idea of what people found desirable. I have seen many knock your socks off babies that turned into blah adults. The three I have posted are the opposite of that. They are getting their adult coloration and getting better with each shed. They are also going to be very big girls which I personally find to be a desirable trait. None of the three animals posted are for sale but the idea is when I finally decide to retail instead of wholesale to be able to sell animals on how they will look as adults not as how they look for a couple sheds as babies.

    The other thing I am after is getting people to comment on what is lacking in the particular morph. It is like herding cats, but I am really after definitions of what people think makes a quality specimen of a particular morph. It is a very hard thing to do with words, but if people tell me what they believe is lacking from these particular animals I am going to begin writing up desirable trait lists at least for the animals I work with.

    I hope to inspire other breeders to also post and to attempt to get honest opinions. I posted these three first because they are the only single gene holdbacks I have from last year. If we seem to start making headway with the polls, I am going to start posting more single gene animals from my collection some that I have produced and others that I purchased.
  • 06-14-2017, 02:40 PM
    JodanOrNoDan
    Ok folks, this is an enchi. Please tell me what is wrong and right with it.
  • 06-15-2017, 02:49 PM
    Ax01
    i voted the first option. (sorry) when folks describe an enchi they use the phrase reduced pattern. so that's what i expect. your example has too many "alien heads" they are narrow and too many. i would prefer more banding and wider alien heads. also i prefer a more gradual pixelation coming from the belly up. the pixelation in this one is more of the kind u would find in a Calico/Sugar. lastly somekind of headstamp would be a nice bonus over a blushed head.
  • 06-15-2017, 04:03 PM
    JodanOrNoDan
    Re: Rate A Single Gene Morph Poll #2
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ax01 View Post
    i voted the first option. (sorry) when folks describe an enchi they use the phrase reduced pattern. so that's what i expect. your example has too many "alien heads" they are narrow and too many. i would prefer more banding and wider alien heads. also i prefer a more gradual pixelation coming from the belly up. the pixelation in this one is more of the kind u would find in a Calico/Sugar. lastly somekind of headstamp would be a nice bonus over a blushed head.

    I agree with you for the most part. As far as reduced pattern goes, she is down to four spots but could use a little more banding. The color and the pixelation I got is why I actually held her back. This is the color I needed from dad to make combos. I think you would like this girl's mother more. She is classic enchi. The brother has gone back to the mom and the eggs are cooking. Hopefully I get a super and get some of these traits refined with line breeding.
  • 06-16-2017, 01:23 PM
    Ax01
    Re: Rate A Single Gene Morph Poll #2
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ax01 View Post
    i voted the first option. (sorry) when folks describe an enchi they use the phrase reduced pattern. so that's what i expect. your example has too many "alien heads" they are narrow and too many. i would prefer more banding and wider alien heads. also i prefer a more gradual pixelation coming from the belly up. the pixelation in this one is more of the kind u would find in a Calico/Sugar. lastly somekind of headstamp would be a nice bonus over a blushed head.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan View Post
    I agree with you for the most part. As far as reduced pattern goes, she is down to four spots but could use a little more banding.

    yes, i agree that he has good spots reduction in the alien heads.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JodanOrNoDan View Post
    The color and the pixelation I got is why I actually held her back. This is the color I needed from dad to make combos. I think you would like this girl's mother more. She is classic enchi. The brother has gone back to the mom and the eggs are cooking. Hopefully I get a super and get some of these traits refined with line breeding.

    that's very cool that u held her back for this trait. i don't have an eye for traits to dinker with (and how to enhance them).
  • 06-16-2017, 01:57 PM
    AntTheDestroyer
    I said below average as well due to near normal patterning. I also do not like how brown she looks in the picture, but that could just be the lighting. To me a spectular enchi should be a very clean golden color.
  • 06-16-2017, 03:35 PM
    JodanOrNoDan
    In the interest of defining desired characteristics in a single gene enchi, please post a picture or a link to one that is over 1000 grams that you personally think is exceptional.
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