Opinions on my first pairing

Hello my fellow ball enthusiast. Just recently I have been attempting my first pairing, Pied x Kingpin. I have been digging deeper into what would be reasonable asking prices for the offspring if and when they come. It has come to my attention that this is not a very common pairing, so I am beginning to question how desirable the babies may be. In my head I think it is an interesting pairing, because I have my own plans I am not necessarily ready to share, but also the fact that anything lesser het pied could be capable of producing both black eyed and blue eyed luecistics. I figured I might ask the community itself what their feelings about this pairing are and if they feel the offspring may be desirable even though they may only be single incomplete dominants het pied. Please be honest, as long as your critique is done respectfully I will be appreciative regardless of your position.

I posted this pretty late so I hope it is OK if I give this a mourning bumb.

Please forgive what may be an obvious question, but what makes up a kingpin?

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Originally Posted by craigafrechette

Please forgive what may be an obvious question, but what makes up a kingpin?

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lesser pinstripe

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Originally Posted by tttaylorrr

lesser pinstripe

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Thank you tttaylorrr, that's what I thought, but I'm definitely still learning my morphs...

Here is my 2 cents. There are a couple ways to approach what to breed.

1. You can produce things that the "general public" finds attractive. These may or may not be things that you personally like.
2. You can produce "tool boxes" which is my focus at this stage in the game. The actual animal may not be attractive. Take the little guy on the left. To me he is a little bit of a washed out mess, but he has the best of my phantom, mojave, and pinstripe genes. He was not created to be sold. He can be put to single gene females and make beautiful stuff.
3. You can breed to make something different, like the "Red" thing that was posted yesterday. Animals like things can catch on or they may only stay popular until there are a lot of them because at that point they are no longer different.

As far a pricing goes, you can make guesses but I would never assume that you will make a certain amount. At best, I know the minimum price I can get for something because I generally wholesale to the same place every time. This amount is way lower than anything you see on Morph Market. The other thing is you have to realize that no one knows you. You start out with zero reputation. I have a good rep in my own little world, but no one in the public domain knows me from anyone else. I have a real job and I have to focus on where the real money comes from. You need to consider this when you are trying to figure out what you are going to charge. You for example could order from me or Garrick. I would expect that Garrick would get more for the exact same animal since he has spent years building his business and I am just a guy with an expensive hobby even if the quality of my product is high.

I know I did not answer your question directly, but I hope I gave you some things to consider that will help you establish a formula on your own.

So you're going to get Normals, Lessers, Pinstripes, and more Kingpins, all of them 100% het for Pied (unless the Kingpin is het Pied as well) Those are extremely common dom and co dom genes, but they're also very utility. I don't expect you're going to be moving the hatchling out fast, but someone will always find use for hets in a project.

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Originally Posted by AntTheDestroyer

also the fact that anything lesser het pied could be capable of producing both black eyed and blue eyed luecistics.

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Umm how exactly do you think to make black eyed luecistics out of this combination. Black eyed luecistics are super fire. Or super sulfur. You can make a pied blue eyed luecistic. But you would not ever know that it was pied as it would be totally white

Definitely your status as being known, well known, and your reputation for producucing quality animals will play into your success. Also, anything that is 100% het pied will have a better chance of being sold, or traded for. Especially if you have photo documentation of the parents locked, offer a guarantee, and consider paperwork or certificate of guarantee. These things will be important to some potential customers. I think almost anything with piebald in it is attractive to quite a few people.

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Originally Posted by AntTheDestroyer

the fact that anything lesser het pied could be capable of producing both black eyed and blue eyed luecistics.

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Originally Posted by StillBP

Umm how exactly do you think to make black eyed luecistics out of this combination. Black eyed luecistics are super fire. Or super sulfur. You can make a pied blue eyed luecistic. But you would not ever know that it was pied as it would be totally white

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most Lesser Pieds and Super Lesser Pieds are all white with black eyes/red pupils and the term is kinda used loosely here i guess. here's my girl Ruby. :)

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