Animal Rights Groups Discussion

I hope this isn't against the rules or anything, but I wanted to make a thread about animal welfare and animal rights organizations. Just want some thoughts and opinions on them. Personally, I don't agree with most of the ideas these groups spread, but I'm trying to keep an open mindset. I'm a hunter, fisher, and I keep pets, some of which might be considered exotic. I love and take care of all my animals, yet I still run into conflict with animal rights/welfare organizations. It seems like they are always looking to make a problem. Please keep it civil so the thread isn't closed, but I'm very eager to hear ideas and stories.

I am 100% for animal welfare as I believe the critters under our care, custody, and control should be kept in the healthiest and most humane manner possible. I also am for sensible wildlife management practices to prevent the spread of diseases like CWD in deer.

I have little or no use for animal "rights" organizations, especially the ones who raise funds to line the pockets of Washington lobbyists instead of promoting animal rescue.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

I am 100% for animal welfare as I believe the critters under our care, custody, and control should be kept in the healthiest and most humane manner possible. I also am for sensible wildlife management practices to prevent the spread of diseases like CWD in deer.

I have little or no use for animal "rights" organizations, especially the ones who raise funds to line the pockets of Washington lobbyists instead of promoting animal rescue.

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I am the same way. I should have elaborated more, reading my own post it seemed like I was against welfare, but it's the animal "rights" people I don't like. They act very high and mighty and are constantly forcing their beliefs upon others. Of course I'm sure there are some that are good, but I've never had an interaction with them.

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Originally Posted by bcr229

I am 100% for animal welfare as I believe the critters under our care, custody, and control should be kept in the healthiest and most humane manner possible. I also am for sensible wildlife management practices to prevent the spread of diseases like CWD in deer.

I have little or no use for animal "rights" organizations, especially the ones who raise funds to line the pockets of Washington lobbyists instead of promoting animal rescue.

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Pretty much this. Animals deserve respect and care, especially when they're under human management. A person that takes on the responsibility of care for an animal and then fails to provide, or deliberately mistreats it should be held accountable by other humans as dictated by law and enforced by the court as the animal(s) can not do so themselves. Animals are not people. They don't think and reason like people, and treating them as people is often just as detrimental to their health and wellbeing as neglecting them entirely (examples: "vegan" cats, "dominance" training dogs, releasing any domestic animal into the wild to "be free").

If you try to tell me honey bees have the same level of sentience as a person, and that beekeepers are really slave masters stealing the hard earned honey of the oppressed worker bees, I'm going to ask you who your dealer is and how much you paid him for whatever you're smoking.

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Originally Posted by Lizardlicks

Pretty much this. Animals deserve respect and care, especially when they're under human management. A person that takes on the responsibility of care for an animal and then fails to provide, or deliberately mistreats it should be held accountable by other humans as dictated by law and enforced by the court as the animal(s) can not do so themselves. Animals are not people. They don't think and reason like people, and treating them as people is often just as detrimental to their health and wellbeing as neglecting them entirely (examples: "vegan" cats, "dominance" training dogs, releasing any domestic animal into the wild to "be free").

If you try to tell me honey bees have the same level of sentience as a person, and that beekeepers are really slave masters stealing the hard earned honey of the oppressed worker bees, I'm going to ask you who your dealer is and how much you paid him for whatever you're smoking.

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I agree we everything you said... but lets be real, we both know what they are smoking 😂😂

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Meth. I mean I live in Washington, I know plenty of potheads, and they might be lazy but ain't none of them delusional!

Yeah, I'm all for welfare, but the animal rights groups and beliefs are insane. And I mean they have something wrong in the head. I really hope the fad doesn't rise past its current state. LOL

Reminds me of a discussion in a fish group on fb: someone's house set on fire and he saved his family. There were literally comments accusing him of not saving his fish. Save THE FISH, screw the human! Christ lol.

I do think part of it is kids being raised with a disconnect from the realities of life in the natural world. They only know people, and mostly dog and/or cats which have co-evolved with people for so long as to develop mimicking behaviors as a means to communicate. You get to farm kids, or one that's been hunting or fishing regularly, they know. They see life and death on the regular, they have a respect for animals and for people as part of one great big web that need each other to survive. They have respect and compassion without distortion, but also pragmatism without cruelty.

I run into a lot of urban kids that just plain don't understand how plants and animals work. They think food just appears at the grocery store, they anthropomorphize animals to a much greater extent because they've never been exposed to their quirks and behaviors.

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Originally Posted by Lizardlicks

I run into a lot of urban kids that just plain don't understand how plants and animals work. They think food just appears at the grocery store, they anthropomorphize animals to a much greater extent because they've never been exposed to their quirks and behaviors.

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Reminds me of this girl on facebook who told me to buy "meat from the grocery store", berating me for buying live rats (for when Cake was still on live).

I explained to her that 1. snakes have to eat entire bodies, and BP's won't eat chopped meat anyway, and 2. I'm in the process of converting him to frozen thawed rats, and he's just picky. She was okay with frozen thawed rats. :rofl::rofl::rofl:Because heck, you buy them frozen, so they were never alive, right? Just frozen rats having some frozen babies.

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Originally Posted by redshepherd

Yeah, I'm all for welfare, but the animal rights groups and beliefs are insane. And I mean they have something wrong in the head. I really hope the fad doesn't rise past its current state. LOL

Reminds me of a discussion in a fish group on fb: someone's house set on fire and he saved his family. There were literally comments accusing him of not saving his fish. Save THE FISH, screw the human! Christ lol.

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Exactly. The day when the majority of people believe that a human's life is even close to equivalent to any animal life is a day I hope I never see.